Homeless people/addiction.

Funny how quite a few ex armed forces end up on the streets, homeless and in a shit place etc, suppose they need to ‘grow a pair’, ‘ get some backbone’ too according to some :-S

There’s a misconception (with some) we all start from the same base and capability to deal with adversity, which simply isn’t true, we all have differing strengths and weaknesses to deal with different things, there’s no straight line in it.
It’s possible that ex forces have trouble adapting to the outside world once they leave the forces as everything is regimented and they don’t have to think about the things us civvies do but also they could be suffering from ptsd or suchlike as they have been in situations that we would not wish upon anyone and seen things we wouldn’t be able to handle
 
Every night?

Errrrrr….billions of people who don’t wallow in self-pity?

All of a sudden, it becomes depression brought on by mental illness, so (conveniently) he just can’t help himself?

I’m sure I’ll get the wrath of BM for this, but what a sob story!

Show some backbone, get on with LIFE, and find yourself someone else, somewhere else, and do yourself a favor!

I’m sorry it ended in tragedy, but whodathunkit, eh?! Became a self-fulfilling prophecy once it became “well, who WOULDN’T go to the pub every night to drown their sorrows?” and that became OK!

It’s not!

Get a grip, stand up, be the master of your own ship.

Now, if you’d started with “this fella was a manic depressive and had a drinking problem, so his wife left him for another bloke,” I might have felt like “If only he’d got some help, maybe he could have managed his illness,” but it sounds all so self-absorbed!
Seriously go fuck yourself.

You have no fucking idea what it can be like for a father to lose everything, to not see your own kids, to spiral into depression.

No wonder the worlds fucked with attitudes like yours, it’s one mistake in life away from all of us you utterly heartless bastard.
 
I was actually thinking the same thing. I think it’s wrong to assume the people you pass sleeping in a doorway are all drug addicts and/or alcoholics. They may well be, but which came first and why are all individual stories.
I think the current economic climate here in Ireland and Europe generally I suppose has seen a huge increase in people on the streets in Dublin. It’s noticeable.

Some choose to take their chances sleeping through the day as much as they can, and stay awake through the night, as they feel safer that way than taking a hostel bed.
That’s a sad indictment of the services on offer.

I pass an increasing amount of people sleeping in doorways as I walk through the north side of the inner city on my way to work.
They could be dead and who’d know.

It’s a sad world at times.
Went to Nottingham last weekend.
They had quite a few young people (seemed to be a younger demographic than Mcr) who were sleeping rough, often not asking for money, just sitting in unused shop doorways (there are lots, nowadays, in most Town and Cities.
I'm sure they don't "want" to be homeless and in a precarious place.
There doesn't seem to be an easy solution, but compassion and buying food can only help ?
Nobody knows what is around the corner, especially with the current economic situation. With less council/social housing, it is a bleak outlook...
 
It’s possible that ex forces have trouble adapting to the outside world once they leave the forces as everything is regimented and they don’t have to think about the things us civvies do but also they could be suffering from ptsd or suchlike as they have been in situations that we would not wish upon anyone and seen things we wouldn’t be able to handle
That’s true mate, some do, some don’t, some have trouble after being in a few years, some don’t having served for decades, some suffer from PTSD having been subjected to little front line conflict, others who’ve been subjected to loads, don’t, it’s been shown in recent studies (largest one ever done I think with a huge sample size) that there is a strong Polygenic element to potentially suffering from PTSD, which highlights my wider point, we’re all wired differently, we can be incredibly strong dealing with some areas of life, and weak in others, and when some look at them, unless they marry up with their own perceptions, they often struggle to understand why.

Not aimed at you btw mate, just trying to make my point clearer.
 
It’s possible that ex forces have trouble adapting to the outside world once they leave the forces as everything is regimented and they don’t have to think about the things us civvies do but also they could be suffering from ptsd or suchlike as they have been in situations that we would not wish upon anyone and seen things we wouldn’t be able to handle
I think many ex-forces people struggle because they're essentially chucked out of a solid job and have to make their way in the world. The forces tell you how to do everything and you have a purpose but in the real world you have no purpose other than the one you set for yourself.

I know a few mates in there now who always say they want to leave but seem to stay on because it's hard to leave and I think there's a fear about what comes afterwards. It's no different to being a footballer in the lower divisions where you can earn a decent enough living but nowhere near enough to set you up for life. Once you're too old to play you're thrown out of the system and then need to start life all over again.

Couple this with the obvious mental health problems plus many have families and commitments by the time they leave.... It's quite easy to fall into deep water.
 
So, which part was wrong?

Loneliness is the hole. Got it. You ever been lonely? Clearly not, because you’re still alive.

Loneliness is NOT a mental illness or a death sentence, it’s an integral, surmountable, usually temporary fact of life. It is the British disease to soak pain in alcohol and hope for the best. THAT is the identifiable disease that spiraled for him and was totally self inflicted and avoidable. He CHOSE IT!

I’m done.
You haven't got a fucking clue what you're talking about.
 
I see everyone has injected themselves, their own anecdotes and their personal feelings into the thread and gathered a big head of steam. Well done.

Now, go back and read the OP, which is what I commented on. As is the case with the interweb, lots of twisting of words, personal attacks and mischaracterizations once the “mob” gets up a head of steam.

Predicted as much.

I hope no-one has to experience alcoholism or depression and that mental health becomes the focus of medicine that it needs to be, because we humans are becoming ill-suited for the pressures we face and can become self-destructive.

Had/have alcoholism, depression and mental illness in the family, so have seen it up close and personal. Some of it triggered by self-inflicted, destructive actions, but some of it beyond the control of the individual. Not all sought the help and medicine needed and the self destruction was deadly. Others have fared better.

It’s a personal journey, with personal triggers, and often difficult to even see from the outside looking in.

Here’s hoping those people that actually need it find the services and help they need when facing their demons, rather than wallowing in their despair, self-medicating with cheap, readily available drugs and entering the death spiral.

Mental health is as important as physical health, but harder to see, understand, diagnose and often treat.

Be well everyone.
 

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