Hooliganism and Violence Maine Road 80's/early 90's

[Exeter Blue I am here]

West Yorkshire Police were right up there with baton wielding thuggery. I've seen them Wade in several times Indiscriminately when we played Leeds regularly in the late 70s to mid 80s.

And West Midlands

 

[BringBackSwales]

100% was sung, I remember it well. I Don’t think it was racism so much as a gang of lads coming up with what they felt was a bit of humour. It was a complete different era and not frowned upon at the time. Same as the Spurs song...Nobody batted an eyelid then, but its a completely different world now ( thankfully)

I certainly remember the spurs songs being regular and I think I recall hearing the P song at Bradford, don’t remember it regularly, but my memory is shit. As you say it was a different era, and thankfully better now

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Forest were known for having a ‘greaser’ firm.

I never realised that but it explains one incident (approx 1978) I recall. Me and my pals were attacked by a group of Forest fans after the match just the other side of the Trent Bridge. None of us had colours and were all in our late teens. This group of Forest were all much older with long hair and leather jackets. They stood out like a sore thumb and didn't look like normal hooligans. It was the worst violence I was ever involved in at a game. We had to fight our way back into the town centre. We were scrapping in and out of the traffic and being kicked and punched. One of the Forest gang that really sticks in my memory was wearing glasses. He looked ridiculous.

 

[percypawpaw]

Grew up in the 60s and 70s, loved watching Alf Garnet, Till Death us do Part, (West Ham Fan) also, Love thy Neighbour, all on prime time TV, we also had, The Wheel Tappers and Shunters Club, with all the Comic's, the things I heard on TV growing up was the norm then, this was society at the time, yes it carried through to Football Stadiums, the question is, were we Racists, today we would be, but then it was the norm. I don't see myself as a racist, but I was as bad as anyone else who attended Football at that time. Today its good that it is behind us and back the changes that have been made, and the current Kick Racism out of Football.
When I became a teen, I ventured onto the Kippax, but moved to the North Stand for one season, great atmosphere, but short lived, still say the club missed a trick. It was after the seats went in the North Stand for me the Violence kicked in. No segregation in the Kippax, the Rag games were a nightmare, a Rope dividing us, within minutes of Kick off the rope and coppers had diapered, Absolut bedlam every time we played them. Other stand out games were Birmingham who did come in early,(on the top left side) and did sing that they had taken the Kippax, Sunderland (on the top right side) in the FA Cup for me one of the worst. Spurs came up the steps at the back of the Kippax, 5 minutes after kick off and waded in at the back, but only lasted seconds and ran back out, and into the platt lane, by jumping over the wall at the front by the corner flag. West Ham, they stood their ground next to the North stand in the corner. When segregation was finally put in, the violence was outside, but for them few years it was bad, certainly not handbags, it was full on. Still cannot remember the NF, I remember people like, Hammer, Debbie, and Bulldog, with his donkey jacket and cotton wool in his ears, the Cool Kats/Governors. Loved my time on the Kippax, going away on Football specials, we were young and enjoyed it, but its in the past, and these are different times.

 

[blue cigar]

I wonder if the enforced absence of fans will lead to the end of the violence or increase it when it does return? Maybe lads will see the light and realise it's a mugs game now with all the cameras and sentencing that can be handed down.
For me Middlesbrough were the most underestimated firm home and away, it's well documented about their escapades at Maine rd but anyone that went to ayresome park will know they were a fearsome group.

 

[marco]

anyone remember the big fat city fan that got stuck in the turnstile at leicester away,one of the most funny things i have seen

 

[VP81]

I wonder if the enforced absence of fans will lead to the end of the violence or increase it when it does return? Maybe lads will see the light and realise it's a mugs game now with all the cameras and sentencing that can be handed down.
For me Middlesbrough were the most underestimated firm home and away, it's well documented about their escapades at Maine rd but anyone that went to ayresome park will know they were a fearsome group.

That place was torrid the mob they had at Maine road in the fa cup game when Geo scored was nasty the BBC beer belly crew the police and dogs had them penned up outside the Sherwood totally horrible bunch

 

[Kippax77]

That place was torrid the mob they had at Maine road in the fa cup game when Geo scored was nasty the BBC beer belly crew the police and dogs had them penned up outside the Sherwood totally horrible bunch

Yeah i remember their firm the BBC walking around Maine Rd 5 mins after the game had started at a night match late 80s smacking random city fans

 

[VP81]

Grew up in the 60s and 70s, loved watching Alf Garnet, Till Death us do Part, (West Ham Fan) also, Love thy Neighbour, all on prime time TV, we also had, The Wheel Tappers and Shunters Club, with all the Comic's, the things I heard on TV growing up was the norm then, this was society at the time, yes it carried through to Football Stadiums, the question is, were we Racists, today we would be, but then it was the norm. I don't see myself as a racist, but I was as bad as anyone else who attended Football at that time. Today its good that it is behind us and back the changes that have been made, and the current Kick Racism out of Football.
When I became a teen, I ventured onto the Kippax, but moved to the North Stand for one season, great atmosphere, but short lived, still say the club missed a trick. It was after the seats went in the North Stand for me the Violence kicked in. No segregation in the Kippax, the Rag games were a nightmare, a Rope dividing us, within minutes of Kick off the rope and coppers had diapered, Absolut bedlam every time we played them. Other stand out games were Birmingham who did come in early,(on the top left side) and did sing that they had taken the Kippax, Sunderland (on the top right side) in the FA Cup for me one of the worst. Spurs came up the steps at the back of the Kippax, 5 minutes after kick off and waded in at the back, but only lasted seconds and ran back out, and into the platt lane, by jumping over the wall at the front by the corner flag. West Ham, they stood their ground next to the North stand in the corner. When segregation was finally put in, the violence was outside, but for them few years it was bad, certainly not handbags, it was full on. Still cannot remember the NF, I remember people like, Hammer, Debbie, and Bulldog, with his donkey jacket and cotton wool in his ears, the Cool Kats/Governors. Loved my time on the Kippax, going away on Football specials, we were young and enjoyed it, but its in the past, and these are different times.

Can anyone with medical knowledge explain why bulldog had cotton wool in his ears ? Today it could be said to block out the shit heard in the media

 

[johnnytapia]

I used to watch the fighting going off in the grounds as a young lad in the 70s thinking this is what happens at football and be scared shitless. Little did I know I would be one of them in the years that followed.
I lived in a pit village and after the strikes the future looked grim for most lads leaving school as it did for many around the country. Fighting was common in the local, pit men on pit men and their familes who went on strike and who didn't, we fought with kids from the next villages it tore the comunity apart for several years. I grew up with this and football was my outlet in the early 80s.
The last few pages brought back some memories, in paticular the talk of the NF in the city ranks. At 15 I was a fully fledge skinhead, I was young stupid and got tagged along by the older lads I hung around with from my village, I was a big lad looked 20 and tried acting it but like I said stupid. The next couple of years I mixed with a went all over to meetings and concerts with what you would call some hardcore NF members but being honest it was more the being part of something that was my main reason for being there. I was pulled up and questioned many times as one of my mates who lived next door at the time was black and many knew it. At 17 I fucked it off because basically I wasn't a rasict **** and just wanted to scrap with punks,mods or rockers.
To say there wasn't a rascist element at City is wrong, they were there and 100% leafleting went on outisde and inside the ground. I saw city fans at the same meetings and concerts that I went to a few years earlier handing out leaflets . The truth is we had NF members who stood toe to toe with black and asian going fans but hid their NF activities and these were not a young teenager like me but men in their 20s 30s and 40s. There is no doubt they tried to garner support among match going fans but couldn't do it at City to any real degree.

By then I had come to my senses and didn't care about calling them out which caused me a bit of trouble at the ground and much more back in my village were I was called the associated names for having black mates by NF members and had some serious threats. It ended with a visit to my house but luckily I was warned beforehand and was waiting with a few mates, sadly I lost it a bit with a bat on some legs and ended up doing a little bit of time at our Queens finest. Not ashamed though as time was well spent chatting with fellow football lads from all over enjoying free bed and breakfast..
Anyway the open leafleting came to an end when they were eventually warned off, it took a few times before they got the message. One of the most active and leading members at the time was a bloke called Dave Greaves, I knew him quite well as he is my second cousin.It all came on top for him when a group of us walked over to him and his mates. He was all smiles to me until I told him in no uncertain terms if he and his mate didn't fuck off for good not only would they get a good kick in, his house in Cotmanhay and his mates houses stood with him would get some visits as well. As we all know there was some decent rough looking lads around at the time and about 30 were stood behind me as the message was passed on, it kind of made their mind up. Hopefully some of you on here may have joined in with this as well as it was a regular thing the following months until all the out in open leafleting stuff came to a near end.

I have to say a few times I was fronted up by a few lads when they first found out if someone mentioned it when the NF came up in talks going to games or in the pub, I desereved to be pulled up on it and didn't back down or hide the truth about it. But I was also backed up more sternly by some well know black lads who knew me well enough by then and also knew like most us at that age we were all young and daft and did some real stupid things.I know there is a couple who read this forum and I still can't thank you enough. Am I ashamed, a little for not being bright enough at the time, but like I said all I really wanted a good scrap with anyone and those smelly punks. Embarrassed ? most definatly, I had to have the talk about it with a nervous young black lad. I can tell you, it is not an easy subject when he's asked to marry your daughter, he agreed we call it even as he's a dipper.
I rambled on, but they were very troubled times for a lot of us both at and away from the football, thankfully we all mostly live, learn and do much nicer and better things now.

On the original subject, Oh the stories of those away days, the memories are coming back.I could do with doing a bit now, not for any trouble but all that running would make me loose a few pounds.

I know there a few here who might have been around at the time. It's not talked about much these days but we all know who we are and recognise each other even after all these years, giving in passing a knowing look.
It's ok, just after you've walked by I sometimes have a smile to myself as well.

Some may doubt it becasue of the violence but that aside we had some great fun times that me and mates still laugh about.

So you realised you just wanted to attack people who like different music. Because they smell.