Hostage situation in Sydney

[EalingBlue2]

I'm suggesting we should have locked up a guy who:
raped 7 women
sent hate messages to families of dead troop's families
accomplice in ex wife's murder

And I am suggesting that as he was not convicted of those crimes and there was apparently very weak evidence presented that maybe just maybe it is better to live in a society with a UK approach to justice than live in a Stalinist regime where people get locked up at the whim of the regime as soon as an allegation is made.

Yes it would be great if he had been locked up but would you sacrifice the basis of a free western democracy and our society that you live in so cheaply and would you rather see thousands of people locked up every week on allegations just to stop odd freak tragedies happening?

Ive read all your posts on this and you seem to keep taking things to the exteme, your comments "so you want a facist state" and "would you rather see thousands of people locked up every week on allegations" blah blah blah

Nobody wants this and it will never happen in Australia, so maybe stop the grandstanding, and stop being inflammatory.

What were saying is that people like this who are a known by police danger to the public, unbalanced, calling for deaths should maybe be removed from society, we are a very rich country and there should be facilities, not necessarily jail, for mentally disturbed people who are a threat to the general public.

So just to make it plain, not a facist regime, but a country that removes threats from the streets such as people who are obviously dangerous to other citizens and/or people who promote extreme violence such as beheadings.

It is though - as to do this you have to allow the police to take away the people they deem dangers, it has to be extra-judicial (as in this case you clearly aren't happy with the legal process . So if people are allowed to be taken off the streets by the police in an extra judicial process what else is this but repression and a police state? You can't just do it on religion either , football hooligans who threaten violence, bike gangs etc would be locked up too. Where do you draw the line?

It is so simplistic to just demand we subvert the way we live because of one example but as it would mean a fundamental change in society and out values and one that I don't think is worth it.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I'm suggesting we should have locked up a guy who:
raped 7 women
sent hate messages to families of dead troop's families
accomplice in ex wife's murder

And I am suggesting that as he was not convicted of those crimes and there was apparently very weak evidence presented that maybe just maybe it is better to live in a society with a UK approach to justice than live in a Stalinist regime where people get locked up at the whim of the regime as soon as an allegation is made.

Yes it would be great if he had been locked up but would you sacrifice the basis of a free western democracy and our society that you live in so cheaply and would you rather see thousands of people locked up every week on allegations just to stop odd freak tragedies happening?

Ive read all your posts on this and you seem to keep taking things to the exteme, your comments "so you want a facist state" and "would you rather see thousands of people locked up every week on allegations" blah blah blah

Nobody wants this and it will never happen in Australia, so maybe stop the grandstanding, and stop being inflammatory.

What were saying is that people like this who are a known by police danger to the public, unbalanced, calling for deaths should maybe be removed from society, we are a very rich country and there should be facilities, not necessarily jail, for mentally disturbed people who are a threat to the general public.

So just to make it plain, not a facist regime, but a country that removes threats from the streets such as people who are obviously dangerous to other citizens and/or people who promote extreme violence such as beheadings.

Sometimes you do need to take things to the extreme as each baby step towards racism or a police state is exactly that. Putin has secured his regime baby step by baby step, hitter did the same and when good people sit back and allow baby steps to undermine society then you have to look at where things are heading. I think the lockout laws that came in here and some of the bikie laws are stupid too - when politicians play with the law for political short term gain it is nearly always bad, Ill thought out legislation

 

[Balti]

sick c.unt had no rights

what a shame they didn't get a sniper to waste him when they had the chance

''one example'' my arse

just another murdering jihadist wanker killing innocent passers by in the name of his imaginary apathetic god

that scum was never coming out without blood on his hands and should have been slotted at the earliest opportunity

I think the Aussies have bodged this one as they seem to have thought they could get them all out alive including the jihadist

as if his life meant anything

RIP the innocent victims

 

[EalingBlue2]

sick c.unt had no rights

what a shame they didn't get a sniper to waste him when they had the chance

''one example'' my arse

just another murdering jihadist wanker killing innocent passers by in the name of his imaginary apathetic god

that scum was never coming out without blood on his hands and should have been slotted at the earliest opportunity

I think the Aussies have bodged this one as they seem to have thought they could get them all out alive including the jihadist

as if his life meant anything

RIP the innocent victims

You flatter him , he was no jihadist, he was no brave holy warrior giving his life for God. He was a nonce , a pathetic inept middle aged man who was about quite possibly to be sent to prison for seedy sex crimes. I don't think they wanted him out alive I think they wanted the victims out alive and they made the call on the ground about the best way to do this. Had he had a bomb and a sniper shot him then 15 innocent people could have died not 2, unless they had hard evidence that there wasn't a Bomb then a sniper is a risk .

 

[foetus]

Slightly off topic, but assuming this guy wasn't a jihadist but rather a mentally unstable thug, why did he choose Islam to hide behind? Why does the religion attract these kind of people?

 

[EalingBlue2]

Slightly off topic, but assuming this guy wasn't a jihadist but rather a mentally unstable thug, why did he choose Islam to hide behind? Why does the religion attract these kind of people?

Because he was a Muslim, same way as other people hide behind bike gangs, or Tim Mcveigh hid behind Christianity or drug gangs and thugs in Ulster hid behind nationalism or republicanism. Sadly it is an easy excuse now and if you want to get attention in his shoes what easier way could you have it. Had he not put that flag up (which was not an Isis flag but was same colours) he would've got about 10% of the attention he got in aus and about 1% of the attention in the world. It would not even have reached Europe if it was middle aged nonce takes people hostage!

I think it's about time pathetic criminals were treated as pathetic criminals and that they should be starved of the attention and "glory/notoriety" they want. If someone kills a child call them a child killer not a terrorist, stop allowing them to hide behind religion or pretend they are anything other than socially inept killers ! Though that does sound a bit Thatcherite for my liking

 

[Wio Gumflapdinand]

See I read between the lines and KNOW you mean 'Muslims' when you mean 'jihadist' as you have proven with your final four words.

Religion sweet FA to do with this anymore than Peter sutcliffe was a Protestant serial killer because he went to a c of e school and God told him to kill the victims.

A mental man whose life had gone to shit because of his own actions desperately wanting attention used religion as a poor excuse to justify his behaviour and criminality

100% mate, yet there are still one or two on here that fail to see it.

Fail to see what exactly? That this nutcase combined with a religion that tolerates extreme views led to him justifying his actions in his head?, as it does to all other weak minded people who go to sermons in supposedly holy places where they could be subjected to hate filled sermons to plant the seeds that many atrocities have grown from.
Once these easy influenced minds hear someone preach that Alah will look favorably on them if they maybe behead a non believer, or die in a suicide attack or rape a non Muslim woman as he has given for them to what they will to as long as she is non Muslim..well you get that shit happening, but in their minds it's justified.
You guys are the problem with our society as much as the fuckers that radicalise these minds as you will always jump on anyone who dares question this secretive fundamental cult that's grown like cancer out of control on the back of the Muslim religion. I guess though It's your duty as left wing apologist nuts

 

[EalingBlue2]

Religion sweet FA to do with this anymore than Peter sutcliffe was a Protestant serial killer because he went to a c of e school and God told him to kill the victims.

A mental man whose life had gone to shit because of his own actions desperately wanting attention used religion as a poor excuse to justify his behaviour and criminality

100% mate, yet there are still one or two on here that fail to see it.

Fail to see what exactly? That this nutcase combined with a religion that tolerates extreme views led to him justifying his actions in his head?, as it does to all other weak minded people who go to sermons in supposedly holy places where they could be subjected to hate filled sermons to plant the seeds that many atrocities have grown from.
Once these easy influenced minds hear someone preach that Alah will look favorably on them if they maybe behead a non believer, or die in a suicide attack or rape a non Muslim woman as he has given for them to what they will to as long as she is non Muslim..well you get that shit happening, but in their minds it's justified.
You guys are the problem with our society as much as the fuckers that radicalise these minds as you will always jump on anyone who dares question this secretive fundamental cult that's grown like cancer out of control on the back of the Muslim religion. I guess though It's your duty as left wing apologist nuts

I can't speak for the person you responded too but I don't think anyone would deny there are radicalised jihadist nuts, a few hundred have gone to Syria and a number have been arrested and locked up here. I think though there are cases of loser criminals pretending this is what they are amongst the real jihadists and where there are they should not be allowed to hide behind relugion , they should not be allowed the have excuses and should be exposed for what they are.

Libertarianism, free speech etc are certainly not exclusive to the left either in fact most of the opposition to harsher police States in this world comes from the right especially in the US where it is almost exclusively a right wing characteristic

 

[Wio Gumflapdinand]

sick c.unt had no rights

what a shame they didn't get a sniper to waste him when they had the chance

''one example'' my arse

just another murdering jihadist wanker killing innocent passers by in the name of his imaginary apathetic god

that scum was never coming out without blood on his hands and should have been slotted at the earliest opportunity

I think the Aussies have bodged this one as they seem to have thought they could get them all out alive including the jihadist

as if his life meant anything

RIP the innocent victims

You flatter him , he was no jihadist, he was no brave holy warrior giving his life for God. He was a nonce , a pathetic inept middle aged man who was about quite possibly to be sent to prison for seedy sex crimes. I don't think they wanted him out alive I think they wanted the victims out alive and they made the call on the ground about the best way to do this. Had he had a bomb and a sniper shot him then 15 innocent people could have died not 2, unless they had hard evidence that there wasn't a Bomb then a sniper is a risk .

"This man was no jihadist, no brave holy warrior". This line came from EalingBlue2...the grand champion of this forum of defending society and our ideals. You went on about baby steps regards Hitler and Putin, what say you about the baby steps your oh so brave holy warriors if Isis are taking?, seen as there is thousands of them and they all consider themselves Jihadists...are these the brave warriors you are talking about?, just to make this a tad clearer as to where you are coming from....or are these just a army of lunatics

 

[Bigga]

Religion sweet FA to do with this anymore than Peter sutcliffe was a Protestant serial killer because he went to a c of e school and God told him to kill the victims.

A mental man whose life had gone to shit because of his own actions desperately wanting attention used religion as a poor excuse to justify his behaviour and criminality

100% mate, yet there are still one or two on here that fail to see it.

Fail to see what exactly? That this nutcase combined with a religion that tolerates extreme views led to him justifying his actions in his head?, as it does to all other weak minded people who go to sermons in supposedly holy places where they could be subjected to hate filled sermons to plant the seeds that many atrocities have grown from.
Once these easy influenced minds hear someone preach that Alah will look favorably on them if they maybe behead a non believer, or die in a suicide attack or rape a non Muslim woman as he has given for them to what they will to as long as she is non Muslim..well you get that shit happening, but in their minds it's justified.
You guys are the problem with our society as much as the fuckers that radicalise these minds as you will always jump on anyone who dares question this secretive fundamental cult that's grown like cancer out of control on the back of the Muslim religion. I guess though It's your duty as left wing apologist nuts

Get off your high hobby horse with your grandstanding.

You see the religion as the fault. So why isn't every single one of every Muslim trying to kill us all?? Tell me why Samir, Yaya or Edin haven't jumped into our crowds with bombs strapped to their chests, Mr Know-it-all?

The issue is with those that initiate radicalisation of the vulnerable minded who turn into ticking time bombs. This is not the religion, but those that choose selective parts of text to preach a point of view. You could that with any text to an unstable mind.

Pick your poison: Christianity, Islam, EDL, Nazis, football, the colour of skin, sexual orientation... Cheese.

Nothing is isolated.