How are we all feeling about our club today?

Our club literally joined the cartel who labelled us 'legacy fans'. When asked about the disgust shown by fans their response was 'we don't care'.

We are Manchester City, not the owners or the current board, it's us, the fans. They had no right to try and take it from us. I won't just brush this off as a bad decision. Serious consequences are required. 100+ years of history. City has been a part of my family for 5 generations. These snake oil salesmen tried to steal something for their own personal profit and if we let them off the hook, they'll try it again. It wasn't a decision through fear, it was a decision through greed.

Enough is enough.
When you take a step back, you realise what it has all become and it isn't appetising. What has happened to the game?

Prior to 2010, when did City fans ever talk about cartels, 4D chess, winning influence, screwing our enemies, Trojan horses, etc? The fact we get excited about winning battles at executive level is so far removed from the reason we all got involved in the first place.
 
Our club literally joined the cartel who labelled us 'legacy fans'. When asked about the disgust shown by fans their response was 'we don't care'.

We are Manchester City, not the owners or the current board, it's us, the fans. They had no right to try and take it from us. I won't just brush this off as a bad decision. Serious consequences are required. 100+ years of history. City has been a part of my family for 5 generations. These snake oil salesmen tried to steal something for their own personal profit and if we let them off the hook, they'll try it again. It wasn't a decision through fear, it was a decision through greed.

Enough is enough.
I understand your frustration but labelling the owners as "snake oil salesmen" is bang out imo. If you don't give our current owners a bit of movement on this considering they effectively bankrolled us for a decade, helped the local community whilst doing football the "right" way which includes absolute transparency, all in and fighting on the pitch then I really don't what to say to you fella.

Look around at the owners in the league and say which one you'd want - the top teams have been fighting for years to get rid of theirs and some of the lower teams are fighting to get proper money to invest. They made a mistake, first proper one in 13 years of taking us from league yoyo mediocrity to the elite level of football where we're on the table for major league and European reconstruction.

Should they have asked us what we thought? Absolutely.

But from what we can gather, they received a call late in the weekend asking if we were in or not and our highly successful and professional executives made a decision they believed would benefit the club. It was the wrong one and they've made the right decision in taking us out as soon as they could.

I honestly do understand the frustrations but pointing the finger at our owners while labelling them snake oil merchants is the wrong way about it lad - don't allow emotions to erase what they've done for us as a club.
 
I think I'm a bit more sanguine about the club's conduct than many on here.

As I understand it, these are the important features of this shitshow.

1. This project has been a long time in the making. I have heard 23 years in some quarters. I'm not sure where that comes from. I have also heard of a 200 page contract document having been drawn up. That kind of thing doesn't happen overnight. This has been planned for a long time, probably measured in years not months.

2. Despite that, City's involvement appears to have come in at the last moment. I have heard that we, and Chelsea, were approached only late last week. I don't know if that's true, but if it is it explains the following three points.

3. What I think is becoming increasingly clear is that we were given the message 'this is happening with or without you. Get on board now, or get left behind.' Despite that, as I recall the news reports from Sunday afternoon, we didn't sign the contract itself, we signed a letter of intent to join the project. So we got on board, with an option to get off again.

4. But having planned this for such a long time, why would the red clubs in particular want us on board, having worked so hard to get us excluded from the Champions League for instance? And why would they throw us this opportunity so late in the day? My guess is (a) they knew our involvement was actually important to the viability of the project (ditto Chelsea), and (b) they left it until the last moment to bring us on board so we had no opportunity to participate in the moulding of the project. It was presented as a fait accompli.

5. City and Chelsea (in whichever order) were the first to break ranks. In City's case, it seems to have been easier if all we signed was a letter of intent. But that has caused the entire cartel to fall apart within a matter of hours. To my mind, that shows how crucial we were to the project. Belatedly, the cartel decided the project could not survive without us. Once we jumped ship, that truth became an even starker reality. It is neither a surprise that we were brought in right at the end, nor that the project started to unravel once we pulled out. As I write, the first team from Spain (Atleti) has pulled out, with news that Inter are about to follow.

6. I don't think it is a coincidence that Pep spoke so openly in opposition to the plans. I suspect our intention not to proceed had been communicated to him by that stage. I suspect he would have been more circumspect if we were fully committed.

So what do I personally make of all this?

(a) This scheme has the fingerprints of the Americans and Perez all over it. I simply do not believe we are the architects of the scheme. Nor do I believe we were willing accomplices with the cunts who have been trying to shaft us for years.

(b) By being asked to come on board, at the 11th hour, the club was actually placed between a rock and a hard place. With very little opportunity to get their heads round the deal, with no opportunity to consult the fans - and I personally believe they would have wanted to do so given the opportunity, as there is so much else they have consulted us about - they were given an important decision and no time to make it.

(c) As I read it, their decision on a sort of 51/49 basis was that getting on board with the option of getting off was potentially less detrimental to the club than staying off with no option of getting on later. Given an unenviable set of alternatives, I don't have as much of an issue as some others do. I would have been happier if they'd had no truck with it in the first place, but I can understand why they did. If this project had gone ahead without us and been a runaway success, we wouldn't have thanked them for not getting on board when we had the opportunity. As it happens, it didn't take long for the club to realise its mistake.

(d) Someone already rightly said that our owner has a huge amount of credit with us in the bank. This has cost him some of that goodwill, but not that much. I have heard calls for FSG and the Glazers to be hounded out of their respective clubs. I personally don't see any appetite at all for Sheikh Mansour to step away from City, nor would I agree with that sentiment if it existed.

So, how do I feel about the club?

Much as I did before. The last 72 hours has been deeply unpleasant, and I am both glad we have come out of it and glad the project is dying an undignified death. Disappointed in our owners, but with (I hope) a measure of acknowledgment that they were in a difficult position, one not of their making, and they made the decision they thought was best while keeping their options open. I am glad that they did, and I am glad that - better late than never - they have done the right thing.
 
I am going to forgive them if they buy haaaland and make every game a tenner from now on.
 
You're better off going fishing mate, less mither and far easier waiting for a bite than an apology off our dodgy owners, mate.
Not sure why you’re a BlueMoonReject. Your recent posts should be enough to fit right in
Hysterical nonsense.
 
I think I'm a bit more sanguine about the club's conduct than many on here.

As I understand it, these are the important features of this shitshow.

1. This project has been a long time in the making. I have heard 23 years in some quarters. I'm not sure where that comes from. I have also heard of a 200 page contract document having been drawn up. That kind of thing doesn't happen overnight. This has been planned for a long time, probably measured in years not months.

2. Despite that, City's involvement appears to have come in at the last moment. I have heard that we, and Chelsea, were approached only late last week. I don't know if that's true, but if it is it explains the following three points.

3. What I think is becoming increasingly clear is that we were given the message 'this is happening with or without you. Get on board now, or get left behind.' Despite that, as I recall the news reports from Sunday afternoon, we didn't sign the contract itself, we signed a letter of intent to join the project. So we got on board, with an option to get off again.

4. But having planned this for such a long time, why would the red clubs in particular want us on board, having worked so hard to get us excluded from the Champions League for instance? And why would they throw us this opportunity so late in the day? My guess is (a) they knew our involvement was actually important to the viability of the project (ditto Chelsea), and (b) they left it until the last moment to bring us on board so we had no opportunity to participate in the moulding of the project. It was presented as a fait accompli.

5. City and Chelsea (in whichever order) were the first to break ranks. In City's case, it seems to have been easier if all we signed was a letter of intent. But that has caused the entire cartel to fall apart within a matter of hours. To my mind, that shows how crucial we were to the project. Belatedly, the cartel decided the project could not survive without us. Once we jumped ship, that truth became an even starker reality. It is neither a surprise that we were brought in right at the end, nor that the project started to unravel once we pulled out. As I write, the first team from Spain (Atleti) has pulled out, with news that Inter are about to follow.

6. I don't think it is a coincidence that Pep spoke so openly in opposition to the plans. I suspect our intention not to proceed had been communicated to him by that stage. I suspect he would have been more circumspect if we were fully committed.

So what do I personally make of all this?

(a) This scheme has the fingerprints of the Americans and Perez all over it. I simply do not believe we are the architects of the scheme. Nor do I believe we were willing accomplices with the cunts who have been trying to shaft us for years.

(b) By being asked to come on board, at the 11th hour, the club was actually placed between a rock and a hard place. With very little opportunity to get their heads round the deal, with no opportunity to consult the fans - and I personally believe they would have wanted to do so given the opportunity, as there is so much else they have consulted us about - they were given an important decision and no time to make it.

(c) As I read it, their decision on a sort of 51/49 basis was that getting on board with the option of getting off was potentially less detrimental to the club than staying off with no option of getting on later. Given an unenviable set of alternatives, I don't have as much of an issue as some others do. I would have been happier if they'd had no truck with it in the first place, but I can understand why they did. If this project had gone ahead without us and been a runaway success, we wouldn't have thanked them for not getting on board when we had the opportunity. As it happens, it didn't take long for the club to realise its mistake.

(d) Someone already rightly said that our owner has a huge amount of credit with us in the bank. This has cost him some of that goodwill, but not that much. I have heard calls for FSG and the Glazers to be hounded out of their respective clubs. I personally don't see any appetite at all for Sheikh Mansour to step away from City, nor would I agree with that sentiment if it existed.

So, how do I feel about the club?

Much as I did before. The last 72 hours has been deeply unpleasant, and I am both glad we have come out of it and glad the project is dying an undignified death. Disappointed in our owners, but with (I hope) a measure of acknowledgment that they were in a difficult position, one not of their making, and they made the decision they thought was best while keeping their options open. I am glad that they did, and I am glad that - better late than never - they have done the right thing.
23 years is the length of the JP Morgan mortgage/loan/whatever, I reckon. However, my feeling is that this was a short term plan to last 5 years until it crashed, and then all the debt-ridden clubs return to where they came from with a miraculously healthy balance sheet. How this is done, I wasn't sure, but without any governance or auditing of the organisation it could be back-handers or finding a way to screw over those clubs with money via fines for ridiculous rule breaches. Like FFP on steroids.
 

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