How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[Vic]

At the time free orange juice was life changing and prevented scurvy in children due to a lack of vitamin C in post war rationing, fuck all good to eat. They didn’t decide to give it out free because it tasted good. Little things all joined up can make a massive difference to millions. That’s why I support the kind of people who want to give kids who need it, vitamin C.

Stopped scurvy (though the evidence isn't strong), but rotted our teeth. But no problem, extractions used to be free on the NHS.

I think those who were not born then really cannot grasp what the NHS meant - in the early days doctors were inundated with having to see people with complaints that they'd never been able to afford to see a doctor about. But the free orange juice was just one aspect of switching to a system of health care, in which children's development was monitored regardless of what the parents could afford.

All opposed by the verminous Tories of course. I know Rascal and others think the EU is to maintain capitalism, but it also maintains an expectation of social care that the Tories would abandon (they opposed the Social Chapter). Vote Tory, get Rickets done.

 

[halfmist]

Why are you on this thread if you don't want to comment on Brexit? Seems you just want to shit stir.

By the way, I've never reported you or your mate. Maybe the Mods get sick of whiny self pitying posts that are nothing to do with the subject being discussed. I've never seen a post deleted or a poster banned for expressing an opinion on the subject under discussion however idiotic, unless they're clearly trolling.

I don’t recall saying it was you.
Another one who just jumps to conclusions, mind made up before even reading alternative view posts
There was nothing to report by the way , I hadn’t verbally abused anyone, swore at them or labelled them thick, or said they don’t know what they are doing because I didn’t happen to agree with them.
Also why is everyone who doesn’t agree with you labelled a potential shit stirrer or a WUM
The point of this thread I thought,was to express an opinion.
Somebody has already said on an earlier post if we all thought the same the thread becomes boring.
So sit back, relax, or don’t bother reading my posts , but as you know there are not many on here you will find to debate with because most have told me that there’s a lot of you that think exactly the same so I am wasting my time even posting and I should just let you all get on with it.
Oh just a couple of technical points.... if a post is deleted , by definition you will not see it . Secondly when someone gets a ban there is no leaving speech so it is extremely unlikely you will be able to see it.
I thought I had better explain it.

 

[halfmist]

At the time free orange juice was life changing and prevented scurvy in children due to a lack of vitamin C in post war rationing, fuck all good to eat. They didn’t decide to give it out free because it tasted good. Little things all joined up can make a massive difference to millions. That’s why I support the kind of people who want to give kids who need it, vitamin C.

That I didn’t know so I have learned something today as it was before my time
If the original poster had made the point like you have just done then yes I would have agreed with him that he had made a very valid point and if it was that effective I could see how such a simple thing would be seen as life changing

 

[halfmist]

Bet its not your lefty hand tied behind your back.

Not sure what you're arguing about though. Remainers wanted to avoid this shit. Brexiteers wanted to embrace it. Not quite sure you want to discuss Brexit as much as being a martyr.

I like your pun
There are some who have maintained a sense of humour on this sub forum
If I hadn’t had a yellow card on the RMT thread I would happily discuss Brexit.
My views on the subject are not as black and white as some of the other posters so they may come as a bit of a surprise to others on here.
However it being so soon after being unable to submit comments on another thread I don’t want to risk a ban.
Nothing to do with martyrdom and if those with friends in high places can guarantee through the ultimate Boss Ric, that they will not intervene I would happily share them with you.
But that ain’t going to happen

 

[Magicpole]

That I didn’t know so I have learned something today as it was before my time
If the original poster had made the point like you have just done then yes I would have agreed with him that he had made a very valid point and if it was that effective I could see how such a simple thing would be seen as life changing

As I said halfmist, joined up sets of small things can change the fucking world for the better. Why not at least give it a go? That’s my ethos. People shouldn’t have to suffer through poverty, lack of access to a job, that even if you do get one won’t provide you with any security. It’s a waste of a potentially better educated and skilled people that can really help keep us on our feet. I hate waste, get that from my old mum. And it’s just not fair. It’s stupid on every level. Economically, socially and morally. Well it is to me.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I like your pun
There are some who have maintained a sense of humour on this sub forum
If I hadn’t had a yellow card on the RMT thread I would happily discuss Brexit.
My views on the subject are not as black and white as some of the other posters so they may come as a bit of a surprise to others on here.
However it being so soon after being unable to submit comments on another thread I don’t want to risk a ban.
Nothing to do with martyrdom and if those with friends in high places can guarantee through the ultimate Boss Ric, that they will not intervene I would happily share them with you.
But that ain’t going to happen

you remind me of someone that used to be on here mate.

You have moaned all day without making any salient point. Why not post something that has substance? We are where we are so why not give us your view of say the next five years and where we will be at the end of it? What priorities would you address if you were in charge?

 

[journolud]

The point of this thread I thought,was to express an opinion.
Somebody has already said on an earlier post if we all thought the same the thread becomes boring.
So sit back, relax, or don’t bother reading my posts , but as you know there are not many on here you will find to debate with because most have told me that there’s a lot of you that think exactly the same so I am wasting my time even posting and I should just let you all get on with it.

Opinions are OK as far as they go but an opinion like Brexit is a shitshow or Brexit is a resounding success or anything in between are better served with the presentation of some facts.

I think, although forgive me if I’m wrong, that you are in the Brexit is a success club. If so, what are the facts to support that

 

[halfmist]

you remind me of someone that used to be on here mate.

You have moaned all day without making any salient point. Why not post something that has substance? We are where we are so why not give us your view of say the next five years and where we will be at the end of it? What priorities would you address if you were in charge?

If anyone can predict where we will be in the next 5 years with accuracy in this uncertain world we live in I will hold my hands up to them.
There are so many areas to cover I wouldn’t know where to start but I will throw a few in to the ring.
Unless there is a huge turnaround in his fortunes Boris will have gone within 12 months.
The Lib Dem’s will get a lot more seats in the next election, mainly off the Tories rather than them going back to Labour on the basis they never say anything controversial
The Labour Party will continue to struggle and I think the left are not happy with their Leader and will revolt and try to go in to the next election with someone else.
Starmer, just doesn’t come across as PM material and seems more Lib Dem than Labour
I like Lisa Nandy seems full of new ideas but not too radical
Incidentally I though Angela Rayner had a blinder today at PMQ’s she went off script when attacking Rabb who walked straight in to it and I found myself laughing, and at one point even clapping.
The first time I have heard the Labour back benches shouting more for a long time.
Could she be the next leader, no as she will struggle to get enough support within the party.
Her tongue will eventually get her hung as the saying goes
I think China is going to be a major problem for the next 5 years both militarily and economically. I don’t trust them.
Labour shortages through the U.K. economy will definitely result in an increase in wages for many, as workers can pick and chose.
This could result in a narrowing of pay differentials between skilled and unskilled workers.
Illegal immigration is going to be a major headache and whilst we desperately need more workers to help with the shortages, politically if we have an open door policy it could lead to unrest if uncontrolled.
I think traditional Labour voters are in favour of restricted immigration if it’s helping to push wages up for the low skilled so I think Labour have to tread carefully if they push for a relaxation in controls.
Finally Brexit, we are not going back in that’s for sure, has our economy suffered, hard to argue it hasn't short term.
Long term say 5 years it will always depend on what deals we do with the rest of the world.
If in 5 years time if we are as dependant on European Trade as we are now it doesn’t look good unless we bring a lot of the goods and services we use within the EU back to the U.K.
That’s my lot I am afraid, seeing as you asked.
Hopefully nothing too controversial.
Oh, I nearly forgot the most important prediction :-
City will be Champions for the next 4 seasons with Newcastle mounting a very strong challenge for the Title in year 5 and we will win the Champions League during Pep’s tenure as Manager.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Her tongue will eventually get her hung as the saying goes

why?

Postboxes, Picaninnies and other utterances have not done for Johnson

 

[bluethrunthru]

SO - he has MP's advocating rejoining the SM - Now this from him? He seems to think HE can remake the EU in a manner acceptable to him and claim it as his own.................. he can't even be sure of his control of one UK Political Party how does he imagine he can influence and control 27 other countries FFS? He remains a fantasist.