How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[meltonblue]

The war in Ukraine is having a huge impact on food, fuel, and energy, so Brexit cannot take all the glory.

I’m not sure it is on fuel is it? Thought that was more down to the weakness of the pound.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The war in Ukraine is having a huge impact on food, fuel, and energy, so Brexit cannot take all the glory.

a divided Europe signalled distracted Europe to Putin. Plus as I said Brexit is predicted to be at least twice as damaging as Covid and I accept Ukraine is an open ended commitment who's total cost cannot yet be calculated.

However what I would say we take very little Russian gas or oil and we import most of our wheat from places like Canada France and Germany so the direct effect is elsewhere except for the upward pressure place on the supply price on world markets. So far the major drain on the UK economy of the war is the cost of support in money munitions and training we spend on the Ukraine conflict

 

[Gabriel]

And why did they feel the need to do that? Trump is the answer.
Why are we in the shit? Populism is the answer. Both Boris and Trump to blame

True, but their respective populations also share some responsibility.

 

[Gabriel]

a divided Europe signalled distracted Europe to Putin. Plus as I said Brexit is predicted to be at least twice as damaging as Covid and I accept Ukraine is an open ended commitment who's total cost cannot yet be calculated.

However what I would say we take very little Russian gas or oil and we import most of our wheat from places like Canada France and Germany so the direct effect is elsewhere except for the upward pressure place on the supply price on world markets. So far the major drain on the UK economy of the war is the cost of support in money munitions and training we spend on the Ukraine conflict

It’s also a Europe that had ridden on the American coattails for defence for far too long, including the U.K.

 

[Gabriel]

I’m not sure it is on fuel is it? Thought that was more down to the weakness of the pound.

It takes 6% of its crude oil from Russia, though that is exp to be none by the end of the year. You’re right though, the weakness of sterling against the dollar is the main factor.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

He could always tempt them in with a bit of populism before labelling them all as racist ....

So why did they vote Tory ?

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

True, but their respective populations also share some responsibility.

Why and how?

 

[Vic]

It’s also a Europe that had ridden on the American coattails for defence for far too long, including the U.K.

That's not so. The USA spends more of GDP than NATO countries, but that's because it's got bases around the world, not just in Europe.

 

[bluethrunthru]

It’s also a Europe that had ridden on the American coattails for defence for far too long, including the U.K.

Yeah right

 

[bluethrunthru]

So why did they vote Tory ?

Brexit and forriners is my bet - all the ones I meet from the Red Wall are only about those subjects - tell them that all those thing referenced are under major ownership of European and American ownership and they glaze over and don't want to hear - tell them that thanks to Brexit EU workers that understandably went home during the pandemic to be near families and now cannot come back because they fail to meet the requirements and they blame farmers and the NHS for not paying enough and show them the data that Brexit has ended up with more people coming here from outside the EU to work - brown people who are of a certain religion and they go apoplectic. Sorry but peoples reasons to leave in my experience were very narrow ninded and they cannot accept that had wider consequences.