How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[bluethrunthru]

Somebody at some point is going to have to be honest with the population as a whole. “COVID and the Ukraine war has put severe pressure on our economy which will continue for years. And leaving the EU, particularly the single market/customs union, has made it incredibly difficult to achieve the economic growth required to get out of the mess.”

Surely it isn’t hard to say it without triggering the defence mechanisms of those responsible too much.

Interesting you don't reference the obvious damage caused by Brexit

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Not going to get mea culpa from those who voted Leave, but perhaps now the Omerta can be broken and politicians can actually attribute much of the current mess to Brexit. The country is in need of counselling and speaking about it now might stop more mistakes being made. Reopening the conversation will also help people appreciate that Brexit is far from done.

Much of it? All of it

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Interesting you don't reference the obvious damage caused by Brexit

They won’t listen to it, even now.

 

[bluethrunthru]

They won’t listen to it, even now.

Yes but you have to - Brexit is predicted to be twice as damaging to the economy and therefore living standards and for much much longer - if you take into account how damaging and when you factor in longevity its Brexit and THEN Covid - Ukraine is a here and now but its longevity is as yet indeterminate

 

[Gabriel]

Much of it? All of it

The war in Ukraine is having a huge impact on food, fuel, and energy, so Brexit cannot take all the glory.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Yes but you have to - Brexit is predicted to be twice as damaging to the economy and therefore living standards and for much much longer - if you take into account how damaging and when you factor in longevity its Brexit and THEN Covid - Ukraine is a here and now but its longevity is as yet indeterminate

That’s what I was trying to subtly say in a form palatable to people who caused this. I’m just saying that whoever takes some responsibility for trying to save the country doesn’t have to move into “You did this” territory to try to coax people into understanding the financial mess and it’s links to Brexit.

Me? I haven’t moved past wanting to scream “we told you so” at people for being gullible fools.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

The war in Ukraine is having a huge impact on food, fuel, and energy, so Brexit cannot take all the glory.

The war in Ukraine wouldn't have kicked off if Putin didn't see a weakened Europe

 

[Gabriel]

The war in Ukraine wouldn't have kicked off it Putin didn't see a weakened Europe

Or a United States set on withdrawing from its international position.

 

[bluethrunthru]

That’s what I was trying to subtly say in a form palatable to people who caused this. I’m just saying that whoever takes some responsibility for trying to save the country doesn’t have to move into “You did this” territory to try to coax people into understanding the financial mess and it’s links to Brexit.

Me? I haven’t moved past wanting to scream “we told you so” at people for being gullible fools.

yes we have - they don't listen to that. What is stopping it being explained calmly and rationally though?

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Or a United States set on withdrawing from its international position.

And why did they feel the need to do that? Trump is the answer.
Why are we in the shit? Populism is the answer. Both Boris and Trump to blame