How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[west didsblue]

It's worse than tedious. It's irritating and childish and makes me think that the poster, who I get on with on other threads, is ultimately a smug and selfish prick.

Some of us, and our businesses and families, have indeed been badly damaged by this. There's nothing funny about it.

If he’s true to form you’ll get a like from him for that.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Was doing a bit of driving yesterday and listening to various presenters on LBC, both right and left.

Christ it was depressing.
So in summary:

Our trading relations with EU is totally fucked making all of us poorer
Our NHS is fucked and will not survive without massive over overhaul
Our Education system is fucked with 30% of teachers leaving last year
Our public transport system is fucked particularly our rail service
Our roads are fucked and becoming the worst maintained and congested in Europe
Our water industry is fucked and will either go bust or turn our precious rivers and seas into open sewers
Our power providers are fucking us. No strategic plan, caught with their pants down when wholesale prices rocket.

Is there anything in the UK (except Manchester City) that is not fucked (and by god they are trying).
The whole thing smacks of a lack of intelligence, a lack of planning, a belief that privatisation is the answer to everything even when you don't oversight it effectively, a lack of investment.........
Meanwhile, Charles receives the Scottish crown jewels in Edinburgh so all is well.

Because ...... Conservatives

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I'd like to disagree with that, any of that, but it's just so depressingly accurate.
It's why I went with a black-box approach - the pound will get the Faragista up on their soapboxes, etc - putting a timeframe on it is a waste of time. A generation sounds about right.

Four PMs out of five (May looks like a towering figure amongst them) who have largely abandoned and undermined our international standing for domestic/egotistical benefit. The next govt face immense pain trying to arrest the damage being caused, and that's without actually starting repairs. I'd take the UK in 2030 being no worse on average than now.

It's similar in some ways to the "become a republic" or "reform the House of Lords" discussion. It's all very well changing head of state, but there has to be a valid reasonable replacement in hand before you actually do it.

As Ive posted before ........ the country needs to be on its knees before we have any chance of a vote to rejoin

 

[Saddleworth2]

Because ...... Conservatives

Yeah, but some still support them. That I find unbelievable.

 

[Saddleworth2]

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The problem with this is that for any prospect of rejoining being possible (never mind realistic) we would need to give up the pound and that happening by the back door would cause untold division and bitterness. It would unquestionably divide our country even further. It wasn’t perfect before 2016, but we had an arrangement with the EU that recognised the inveterate streak of Euroscepticism in this country (England, not the UK) - which is why we kept the pound and had all the opt-outs. It was a pragmatic solution to a challenging problem.

The problem now is that Cameron opened Pandora’s box and has unleashed forces that cannot be contained. I really don’t hold out much hope that this situation can be repaired, at least not for a generation.

We are just going to have to deal with the consequences of this supreme act of national self-harm and make the best of it.

I know I get mocked for this from certain quarters, but I’ve got thick skin and it thereby washes over me: we have completely fucking blown it as a nation.

The way we are respected in the world, our international clout, our standard of living, our ability to look after the weak and vulnerable and to provide free healthcare for all have all been hugely damaged by this vote. A vote that our Prime Minister voluntarily offered to the people to try and suppress the divisions within his party. A vote that was completely unnecessary. And a process that was utterly flawed. Where people were made wholly unrealistic promises that they acted upon to their detriment.

If that isn’t fucking blowing it, then I don’t know what is.

It wasn’t Brexit that caused all these things. Our NHS and Social services would be in this mess irrespective. The fault lies squarely with the political party that has overseen our demise. Brexit may have exacerbated things but wasn’t the root cause.

 

[blueparrot]

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It wasn’t Brexit that caused all these things. Our NHS and Social services would be in this mess irrespective. The fault lies squarely with the political party that has overseen our demise. Brexit may have exacerbated things but wasn’t the root cause.

Brexit made most problems far worse, except it wasn’t really brexit alone which was voted for.iIt was the particular brexit dreamt up by the conservatives and which wasn’t voted for.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

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It wasn’t Brexit that caused all these things. Our NHS and Social services would be in this mess irrespective. The fault lies squarely with the political party that has overseen our demise. Brexit may have exacerbated things but wasn’t the root cause.

Where did I say it was the root cause? I said it made us less able to fund those public services which is plainly axiomatic of a relative reduction in our living standards.

 

[Vic]

It wasn’t Brexit that caused all these things. Our NHS and Social services would be in this mess irrespective. The fault lies squarely with the political party that has overseen our demise. Brexit may have exacerbated things but wasn’t the root cause.

Well of course we know the Tories are the root cause, but a 90% reduction in EU recruits to the NHS seems more than exacerbating things.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Where did I say it was the root cause? I said it made us less able to fund those public services which is plainly axiomatic of a relative reduction in our living standards.

Sorry if I misread your intent. I guess it was this paragraph that triggered my respon

The way we are respected in the world, our international clout, our standard of living, our ability to look after the weak and vulnerable and to provide free healthcare for all have all been hugely damaged by this vote. A vote that our Prime Minister voluntarily offered to the people to try and suppress the divisions within his party. A vote that was completely unnecessary. And a process that was utterly flawed. Where people were made wholly unrealistic promises that they acted upon to their detriment.

made me think you were pinning most on Brexit. For me the root cause is The Tory party.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Sorry if I misread your intent. I guess it was this paragraph that triggered my respon

made me think you were pinning most on Brexit. For me the root cause is The Tory party.

The root cause is the Tories, Brexit has accentuated it and will continue to.