GortonBlue62
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I voted to leave the EU so that we could engage more fully with the wider world.The trouble with Lexit is that no one who advocated ever had the power to implement it.
So it was always a daft idea.
We all understand sovereignty. The fact that we were able to leave without asking permission proves that we always had it.
But sovereignty isn't unlimited in the real world, Tony Benn and Enoch Powell agreed on this very simple point the first time there was a referendum on this issue.
Absolute sovereignty is no more a real concept than absolute self sufficiency. Even if you live off of the land, you'll need someone to make your tools, dig up the metal for it or give you the eggs that hatch into your chickens etc.
If you think you will win the battle against capitalism in your lifetime you must be smoking something strong.
Sovereignty in your definition seems to be about pulling up the drawbridge and not engaging with the rest of the world.
Sovereignty in my definition is about having the ability to set your own path. It's about engaging with the wider world, both culturally and economically. It's about breaking down trade barriers and embracing capitalism and globalisation.
Societies that close themselves off are doomed to fail. The EU with it's protectionist economic policies and its excessive application of the precautionary principle, to name but two of its many failings, is the best example of a failing 'state'.
The UK's success in the years ahead will depend on which politicians can take the opportunities Brexit offers. Unfortunately the current crop seem to be fucking useless so I'm not too optimistic. But Brexit is an opportunity and we're never rejoining the EU so maybe remoaners need to accept they lost and just get on with it?