How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Bodicoteblue said:
That’s not money for R&D or expansion and job creation or any of that innovation or constructive nonsense.
Oh no.
This is begging them not to bugger off to Europe in yet another taxpayer funded brexit bailout.
How much worse can they get?
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I wouldn't mind but 52% of the jobs saved are probably done by idiots that voted leave. Ycnmiu.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The pre-1973 levels of sovereignty and being able to operate in relative isolation simply aren’t feasible in the modern world.

I strongly felt that those pining for this were going to be severely disappointed as it simply isn’t possible in 2023 (or 2016).
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It wasn't great to behave that way pre 1973.
We became 'the sick man of Europe'.
Joining the common market helped the U.K. a lot.
Ok. Project fear may have convinced voters that we were going to become part of a European superstate, (not really the case) but we had power of veto then.
It's better to be on the inside pissing out, than on the outside licking windows....
 
west didsblue said:
Do you work at JLR?
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Massive Leave vote in the area so fuck 'em they knew what they were voting for etc etc etc - stupid people - similar on Ellesmere Port and before you get on a high horse with me fishermen, farmers, the Shires and so on are already fucked thanks to their Leave vote I think we need to let it all go hit rock bottom to demonstrate how much those people were taken in so retribution against the charlatans can begin and the long road back can be started - I accept it will not happen in my lifetime though
 
bluethrunthru said:
Massive Leave vote in the area so fuck 'em they knew what they were voting for etc etc etc - stupid people - similar on Ellesmere Port and before you get on a high horse with me fishermen, farmers, the Shires and so on are already fucked thanks to their Leave vote I think we need to let it all go hit rock bottom to demonstrate how much those people were taken in so retribution against the charlatans can begin and the long road back can be started - I accept it will not happen in my lifetime though
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I just wish that there was a way for people who didn't vote leave, to remain.....
 
Grassland Blue said:
It wasn't great to behave that way pre 1973.
We became 'the sick man of Europe'.
Joining the common market helped the U.K. a lot.
Ok. Project fear may have convinced voters that we were going to become part of a European superstate, (not really the case) but we had power of veto then.
It's better to be on the inside pissing out, than on the outside licking windows....
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My point about the pre-1973 landscape was a more general, international one, not just in relation to the UK, but yours is equally valid.

As a nation, we declined from the end of WW2 up to shortly after we joined the EEC. We have also declined as a nation since we left the EU. That decline will continue. The period in between we prospered.

We have voted to make ourselves poorer. I am sure for some, that is a price worth paying, because of their perspective on sovereignty, but for most who voted for Brexit, I suspect, this has come as a surprise, because they retained a level of faith in our institutions which was wholly unwarranted.
 
Yes, but if Brexit had been implemented properly it would be Camelot.

This is the line they come up with now. But their idea of 'properly' is totally infeasible; it's like saying 'If only we checked at the end of each rainbow, we'd find a pot of gold.'

Plus, Brexit voters had different ideas of what Brexit should be anyway.
 
BrianW said:
Yes, but if Brexit had been implemented properly it would be Camelot.

This is the line they come up with now. But their idea of 'properly' is totally infeasible; it's like saying 'If only we checked at the end of each rainbow, we'd find a pot of gold.'

Plus, Brexit voters had different ideas of what Brexit should be anyway.
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If only the City players had implemented Alan Ball’s tactics properly we would have won the Premier League in 1996.
 
Bodicoteblue said:
That’s not money for R&D or expansion and job creation or any of that innovation or constructive nonsense.
Oh no.
This is begging them not to bugger off to Europe in yet another taxpayer funded brexit bailout.
How much worse can they get?
Click to expand...
Much worse.
 
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