How far will the fall be before evasive action is taken?

I'm pretty sure Sterling worked reasonably hard and tracked back when he was at Liverpool. Or am I imagining that? Totally agree about Delph though. That Dax character was trying to say the other day that it was a sound tactical decision to play Delph on the left (to snuff out the threat of Mahrez) but what he failed to acknowledge was what you just said, that Delph has played there before and (not surprisingly) it doesn't work. But then Dax seems to pride himself on arguing that decisions that haven't worked and were never likely to work are some kind of tactical master stroke.
Lancet, you need not exergerate a claim I've made to win an argument. That's just a straw man fallacy. Bad form.

I see nothing wrong with playing a good defensive player in an area to help neutralize an oppositions threat. If the point is to claim Pellars suck, which it seems it is, there are more valuable claims that show this, than the flimsy he played Delph at LM.

My point was simple: it was an understandable choice. And his presence on the left did affect Mahrez a lot when he played there.

As for the Delph on the left doesn't work claim: Yes, we haven't won when he played there. But that probably has more to do with the opposition when Manuel deploys him there, than it does the actual tactic of deploying him there.

I don't like the idea of Delph on the wings, but that's because I believe in playing to your strength rather than attempting to neutralize the opposition at the expense of your strength.

I can disagree with a choice, but understand why it was made. Why is that so hard to get?
 
This manager took the best defence in the league for three years running and turned it in to a comedy side show. He actually added £75million worth of centre halves and made us much, much worse. Did we get unlucky in that 2 of the most highly rated centre halves in Europe actually turned out to be shite? Was is it just bad fortune that Kompany went from the best centre half in the league to one who gets laughed at on MOTD over the last 2 seasons? The only time any of our centre halves have shown decent form since Pellegrini got here was Kompany at the start of this season.

Nastasic was outstanding in his season under Mancini, and looked woefully out of his depth under Pellegrini. DeMichelis has done ok in patches, Mangala has potential but looks like an accident waiting to happen, Otamendi is clearly a top player, but his constant diving in and lack of concentration is costing us regularly. Kompany, as I said has had a dip in the last two seasons compared to previously. So out of the 5 centre backs Pellegrini has used, 4 have been clearly worse than they were previously. The only one who possibly remained the same is DeMichelis.

The other 4, two were already here and playing very well previously, so no blame for Txiki or recruitment there. Two were bought and were extremely highly rated. It surely can't be a coincidence that all 4 have regressed under Pellegrini's "management"?

So in short, yes the squad needs "tweaking" every year. That is the same at all top clubs. But to say the 2010 team needs "rejuvenating" is incorrect in my view. It's already been rejuvenated with some of the top talent in Europe. It's silly to say anyone who played in 2010 is incapable of playing now. Hart, Clichy, Zabba, Kompany, Silva, Nasri, Aguero are all very capable still at this level and at a decent age. In fact only Zabba is over 30, it's hardly Dad's Army.

From the core squad that won the first title clearly Yaya needs to move on, and in my view so does Kolarov. Other than that I don't see any major issues.

I've heard very good things about Angelino, so I'm sure he can come in to replace Kolarov, and we possibly need a new young right back. We definitely need a couple of centre mids to replace Yaya and Fernando. Hopefully one is Pogba. Other than that, I don't see the need for wholesale changes. The talent is there. They just need to be managed better.

Mancini got far more out of our defenders than Pellegrini does. I'm sure Guardiola will too. The issue isn't that our player's aren't good enough. The issue is the manager isn't, and next season will prove that beyond any doubt whatsoever.

Absolutely spot on. In fact I'd go further. It is evidently true that Pellegrini hasn't developed individual players or built any sense of team during his term but why is this? His tactical choices baffle me on a weekly basis. The weekends game was a perfect example. Leicesters greatest threat is fast transition primarily through Vardy and Mahrez in the first or second phase; anyone who has seen them this season knows this. Both Vardy's and Mahrez preferred zone is Leicesters right hand channel as they attack. So how does Pellegrini counter their primary threat, obviously he plays our two slowest defenders in that area! Now knowing that pace is the key wouldn't you have thought Pellegrini would have chosen Cliche and Sagna rather than Kolarov and MDM?

I could go on and on about how week after week he has got it tactically wrong and how he is ruining player like Sterling, Delph, Otamendi, Yaya and now Kalechi by asking them to do jobs that they are not best suited to or roles that best address the needs of the team with reference to the opposition.

We have a great squad that is so far less than the sum of its parts because of this clown, it's hard to take. I wonder what practical jokes he's going to come up with for the Spurs game?[/QUOTE]

Thanks mate, and I totally agree with you about Kolarov and Clichy. I've made the same point myself on here.

That's the trouble with Pellegrini, I'm not sure if he even bothers to analyse opponents. If he does, he either doesn't have a clue how to counter their strengths, or he doesn't give a toss.

Either way, he's been making the same mistakes since the Cardiff away game in his first season. A long ball team with a very pacy forward, and we line up with a high line containing Lescott and Javi Garcia as centre backs. 442 against Mourinho's Chelsea, Fernando and Milner in centre midfield against Barcelona, 442 against Pep's Bayern at home, Fernando and Yaya in a 2 against Klopp's Liverpool at home, Kolarov and Zabba against Leiceste, the list goes on.

His catalogue of tactical ineptitude is is thicker than the phone book. This isn't a recent phenomenon, he's been doing it since he got here. We can't win every game, but the above 6 games are just off the top of my head where the manager has been directly responsible for us getting dicked with his pathetic "tactics". I'm sure there are many other examples.

I've always thought this manager is more of a hinderance than a help, and anything we win will be in spite of him, not because of him.

There isn't an obvious contender to steer us until the end of the season, so I guess we are stuck with him. I wish he'd swallow his pride and make some pragmatic decisions for the sake of the club and the fans, but I won't be holding my breath.
 
Absolutely spot on. In fact I'd go further. It is evidently true that Pellegrini hasn't developed individual players or built any sense of team during his term but why is this? His tactical choices baffle me on a weekly basis. The weekends game was a perfect example. Leicesters greatest threat is fast transition primarily through Vardy and Mahrez in the first or second phase; anyone who has seen them this season knows this. Both Vardy's and Mahrez preferred zone is Leicesters right hand channel as they attack. So how does Pellegrini counter their primary threat, obviously he plays our two slowest defenders in that area! Now knowing that pace is the key wouldn't you have thought Pellegrini would have chosen Cliche and Sagna rather than Kolarov and MDM?

I could go on and on about how week after week he has got it tactically wrong and how he is ruining player like Sterling, Delph, Otamendi, Yaya and now Kalechi by asking them to do jobs that they are not best suited to or roles that best address the needs of the team with reference to the opposition.

We have a great squad that is so far less than the sum of its parts because of this clown, it's hard to take. I wonder what practical jokes he's going to come up with for the Spurs game?

Thanks mate, and I totally agree with you about Kolarov and Clichy. I've made the same point myself on here.

That's the trouble with Pellegrini, I'm not sure if he even bothers to analyse opponents. If he does, he either doesn't have a clue how to counter their strengths, or he doesn't give a toss.

Either way, he's been making the same mistakes since the Cardiff away game in his first season. A long ball team with a very pacy forward, and we line up with a high line containing Lescott and Javi Garcia as centre backs. 442 against Mourinho's Chelsea, Fernando and Milner in centre midfield against Barcelona, 442 against Pep's Bayern at home, Fernando and Yaya in a 2 against Klopp's Liverpool at home, Kolarov and Zabba against Leiceste, the list goes on.

His catalogue of tactical ineptitude is is thicker than the phone book. This isn't a recent phenomenon, he's been doing it since he got here. We can't win every game, but the above 6 games are just off the top of my head where the manager has been directly responsible for us getting dicked with his pathetic "tactics". I'm sure there are many other examples.

I've always thought this manager is more of a hinderance than a help, and anything we win will be in spite of him, not because of him.

There isn't an obvious contender to steer us until the end of the season, so I guess we are stuck with him. I wish he'd swallow his pride and make some pragmatic decisions for the sake of the club and the fans, but I won't be holding my breath.
Exactly. Ranieri has come into leicester and turned them from one of the worst teams to one of the best in less than a year. And hes charming too.
 
Lancet, you need not exergerate a claim I've made to win an argument. That's just a straw man fallacy. Bad form.

I see nothing wrong with playing a good defensive player in an area to help neutralize an oppositions threat. If the point is to claim Pellars suck, which it seems it is, there are more valuable claims that show this, than the flimsy he played Delph at LM.

My point was simple: it was an understandable choice. And his presence on the left did affect Mahrez a lot when he played there.

As for the Delph on the left doesn't work claim: Yes, we haven't won when he played there. But that probably has more to do with the opposition when Manuel deploys him there, than it does the actual tactic of deploying him there.

I don't like the idea of Delph on the wings, but that's because I believe in playing to your strength rather than attempting to neutralize the opposition at the expense of your strength.

I can disagree with a choice, but understand why it was made. Why is that so hard to get?

He had played him there before twice, it didn't remotely work either time to the point he was hauled off relatively early in the matches (as far as I remember), he tries it again and surprise surprise it doesn't work. You claim it was a sound decision tactically, I claim it wasn't on the basis that the tactic had clearly been shown not to work before. I understand that learning from experience is something that we definitely shouldn't be expecting from this manager though. And the fact that it illustrates how he doesn't learn when things don't work is exactly why it is a good example to use to show that "pellars sucks". As for the argument about it not working because of the opposition he deploys him against, that makes absolutely no sense to me as an argument. It's a tactic that would work when there isn't a huge threat on our left but doesn't work when there is? I assume that is what you are saying? So it is only a tactic that would work when it isn't needed. What kind of a defence of the tactic is that?
 
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We are falling so fast and so hard that we were a win away (on Saturday) FROM BEING TOP OF THE LEAGUE.....
Oh come on. Yes we were but (a) we should be a good few points ahead of Leicester anyway and (b) we didn't win, didn't remotely deserve to win and are now 6 points behind them in 4th place. We're lucky that the rags have been so crap otherwise we'd be out of the top 4.
 
Somebody mentioned Brandon Barker earlier
Can anyone enlighten me, as to how much football he's getting this season, as he seems to be too old for most of the age categories?
I keep reading about how well our Academy is progressing, but even when the injuries are piling up, we'd rather use players out of position.
Similarly, Pellegrini would rather rotate Clichy and Kolarov, even in the domestic cup games. Is Angelino ever going to progress, or will he disappear in the summer like George Evans etc?
 
Oh come on. Yes we were but (a) we should be a good few points ahead of Leicester anyway and (b) we didn't win, didn't remotely deserve to win and are now 6 points behind them in 4th place. We're lucky that the rags have been so crap otherwise we'd be out of the top 4.
This all day if we scrape top 4 I'll be happy, come the end of Feb I personally think we will be out/lost everything. Unless he changes from Sunday onwards which I very much doubt.
 
like I said before the club new owners wanted the fans and players to change to a winning mentality and get rid of this roll coaster ride and little old city tag it was not ok to just turn up we wanted to start thinking we can win every game. well we took it on board and backed the plan who are we to say other wise winning silverware and glory is always nice but there is 1 big question

what if the players don't turn up that's the problem have they down tools again looks that way. we all seen this before with Mancini time coming to the end the players just could not care and that's what a winning mentality means to the fans we can't take it. you see players on the world stage on very big money just walking around taking the piss out of the club. how can you back them are they using the game to show the owners what they think about the change

I know we are still in all 4 competitions and in the league cup final but the biggest show of down tools was the FA cup final lost to wigan I hope to god that this does not happen again but its not looking good after the Leicester city game after all we are a winning mentality club aren't we
 
This all day if we scrape top 4 I'll be happy, come the end of Feb I personally think we will be out/lost everything. Unless he changes from Sunday onwards which I very much doubt.
It's at moments like these that we find out how good a manager Pellegrini is
 

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