How long will the rebuild take?

Damanino said:
one big problem, the rebuild will be compared to the immense few years we just had which is almost impossible to recreate.

similar issue at the rags, whenever they will have a great period again hopefully never, will be compared to the Ferguson period of 13 titles in 25 years or so.

we need to be humble and accept last few years under Pep was most likely our best period ever with CL trophy many other cup trophies and 5 titles in 6 years. never again we are likely do this kind of period. wining maybe two titles o the bounce, or do a CL+PL combo win in a great season is not impossible, but this sustained period oh high level achievement was a rare time in our history.
not many around like Pep.

did Barca ever recreate their early 2008/2010 run? league titles and two CL titles with Pep? they did have great successes after that too, CL trophy as well, title 2 years ago most recently, and on top currently too, but they kind of still thinking of that Pep-era as the top which they didnt hit since and likely wont anytime soon.

once the rebuild is done and Pep is possibly not around for long time from now on max 2 more seasons, I expect PL title will be shared between few clubs in lot more equal way than last 10 season.
last 10 season it was:
6 titles City
2 titles Chelsea
1 title Leicester
1 title Liverpool

I dont see anyone possibly being such an outlier as we were in last 10 years.
and if we do the comparison to this whatever the rebuild will be it wont hit these heights.

we wont be either without Pep as cannot see anyone as good as him who could deliver so much in a hard league like this. this aint the french league where PSG's hardest opponent has a squad like Brighton and the spending power of Nott Forest.
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Yep be a very good decade if we win 2/3 titles 2 fa cups 2 league cups and if we really lucky a champs league! But doubt that be possible when you look at other teams in premier what they have won in the last decade many top teams no titles! Arsenal what they won last decade? 3/4 fa cups a league cup? Rags a Europa 2 fa cups league cup? Liverpool in one of there best periods since they were winning leagues for fun have won 1 of everything and classed as a great era for them!

What we have done last 10 years no other club will come close if ever for a long long long time!

What I want is not to not win a premier in over ten years! It could happen and probably will happen when you look at the History of football..

One thing I've been here to see is break records and was there at the ground watching us lift titles after titles..
 
If we can all agree we need a rebuild, then sure as hell this does not and can not happen under Guardiola. He clearly does not have the energy nor alternative footballing philosophy that will be required. With Guardiola still here we can not make any signings in January as those players brought in may well, just like the rest of this squad (less Dias), be considered expendable by any new manager.

In short, and as unpalatable as it may be to some of you Guardiola happy clappers, the man, his philosophy and the vast majority of his squad are now of absolutely no use to this club moving forward.
 
CatMan said:
If we can all agree we need a rebuild, then sure as hell this does not and can not happen under Guardiola. He clearly does not have the energy nor alternative footballing philosophy that will be required. With Guardiola still here we can not make any signings in January as those players brought in may well, just like the rest of this squad (less Dias), be considered expendable by any new manager.

In short, and as unpalatable as it may be to some of you Guardiola happy clappers, the man, his philosophy and the vast majority of his squad are now of absolutely no use to this club moving forward.
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Mad how he's won 12 league title in 15 seasons without energy or an 'alternative football philosophy'

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CatMan said:
If we can all agree we need a rebuild, then sure as hell this does not and can not happen under Guardiola. He clearly does not have the energy nor alternative footballing philosophy that will be required. With Guardiola still here we can not make any signings in January as those players brought in may well, just like the rest of this squad (less Dias), be considered expendable by any new manager.

In short, and as unpalatable as it may be to some of you Guardiola happy clappers, the man, his philosophy and the vast majority of his squad are now of absolutely no use to this club moving forward.
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The director of football looks for players to fit how we as a club will play even when pep is long gone! Pep didn't even know about Doku..

If you have ever listen to pep he says he can't do what he does without top players at the moment we don't have top players we have most of our defence out most of the squad is shot knackered because what we have done as a club since pep been here!

Oh what pep has done here what no other manager have ever done since football began and probably will never be done again!

Am sorry I'm in the happy clappy team of backing Pep !
 
waspish said:
The director of football looks for players to fit how we as a club will play even when pep is long gone! Pep didn't even know about Doku..

If you have ever listen to pep he says he can't do what he does without top players at the moment we don't have top players we have most of our defence out most of the squad is shot knackered because what we have done as a club since pep been here!

Oh what pep has done here what no other manager have ever done since football began and probably will never be done again!

Am sorry I'm in the happy clappy team of backing Pep !
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I respect your opinion, but if I can ask you who you believe genuinely still is (at the top of their form) , or has the potential (on a genuine upward slope) to be top class out of that current squad?

For me it is Dias.

Both keepers ageing and failing.

Stones, Ake, Walker and Akanji and on the downward cycle.

Lewis may be a player who is improving but he doesn't have a true position and is nowhere near physically good enough.

Gvardiol may well be worth keeping, but he is a centre half who has been played out of position that much he has forgotten the basics of his core trade.

Nunes is shite
Duku no end product & shite.
Savinho is a Brazilian Grealish.
Grealish, our worst ever signing.

KDB and Gundogan are decrepit.

Haaland is bone idle and one dimensional.

Foden for me is nothing more than an inside right who can cut in and occasionally (not this year mind) score from a long shot. He's completely out of form and may be suffering from having achieved too much so soon.

Bernado and Kovacic, although decent players, are not going to improve nor be good enough in the time this will take.

And as for Rodri, well who knows what the future may hold.

Christ knows what McAtee (and he's not the answer) must make of it all, as he can't get in a team that has a worse current record than anything he saw at Sheffield United!

In short, if we were to try and sell them, we'd probably have to give most of them away and that sums up where we are.
 
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CatMan said:
I respect your opinion, but if I can ask you who you believe genuinely still is (at the top of their form) , or has the potential (on a genuine upward slope) to be top class out of that current squad?

For me it is Dias.

Both keepers ageing and failing.

Stones, Ake, Walker and Akanji and on the downward cycle.

Lewis may be a player who is improving but he doesn't have a true position and is nowhere near physically good enough.

Gvardiol may well be worth keeping, but he is a centre half who has been played out of position that much he has forgotten the basics of his core trade.

Nunes is shite
Duku no end product & shite.
Savinho is a Brazilian Grealish.
Grealish, our worst ever signing.

KDB, Bernardo and Gundogan are decrepit.

Haaland is bone idle and one dimensional.

Foden for me is nothing more than an inside right who can cut in and occasionally (not this year mind) score from a long shot. He's completely out of form and may be suffering from having achieved too much so soon.

And as for Rodri, well who knows what the future may hold.

In short, if we were to try and sell them, we'd probably have to give most of them away and that sums up where we are.
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Someone is taking it well then
 
waspish said:
The director of football looks for players to fit how we as a club will play even when pep is long gone! Pep didn't even know about Doku..

If you have ever listen to pep he says he can't do what he does without top players at the moment we don't have top players we have most of our defence out most of the squad is shot knackered because what we have done as a club since pep been here!

Oh what pep has done here what no other manager have ever done since football began and probably will never be done again!

Am sorry I'm in the happy clappy team of backing Pep !
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This, it’s all about players.

All we need to do is buy better players, ones that are as good or can be as good as the likes of KDB, Walker, etc have been in their prime.

It’ll take a lot of money, but we seem to have spent relatively little recently and recouped a fair bit. Now is the time to dip into those savings and rebuild with top quality.

No more average squad fillers like Nunes and Phillips. We need to find who the best is for the positions we need to improve, in any league in Europe, then pay what it takes to get them.
 
CatMan said:
I respect your opinion, but if I can ask you who you believe genuinely still is (at the top of their form) , or has the potential (on a genuine upward slope) to be top class out of that current squad?

For me it is Dias.

Both keepers ageing and failing.

Stones, Ake, Walker and Akanji and on the downward cycle.

Lewis may be a player who is improving but he doesn't have a true position and is nowhere near physically good enough.

Gvardiol may well be worth keeping, but he is a centre half who has been played out of position that much he has forgotten the basics of his core trade.

Nunes is shite
Duku no end product & shite.
Savinho is a Brazilian Grealish.
Grealish, our worst ever signing.

KDB, Bernardo and Gundogan are decrepit.

Haaland is bone idle and one dimensional.

Foden for me is nothing more than an inside right who can cut in and occasionally (not this year mind) score from a long shot. He's completely out of form and may be suffering from having achieved too much so soon.

And as for Rodri, well who knows what the future may hold.

In short, if we were to try and sell them, we'd probably have to give most of them away and that sums up where we are.
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I'd keep Rodri Haaland Dias Akanji Lewis Gvardiol Doku Savino foden and out of them first teamers as of now are DIAS GVARDIOL RODRI AKANJI HAALAND FODEN. Rest are squad rotation for time being! Now that's some rebuild we need
 
Don‘t think it need necessarily take that long. 2/3 proper signings (central midfielder, De Bruyne replacement, maybe a wide attacker) would put us right back in the mix. Then a case of continually phasing out older players.
All hinges, of course, on us returning to a semi-sensible set-up/system. If we insist on playing with fullbacks as wingers or as false no. 8s, we‘ll need to do a hell of a lot more business.
 
we need a striker ASAP to take the load off Haaland who looks completely shot at the moment. Foden was the one bright spot yesterday. i only saw Walker throwing himself to the ground on the highlights post game, what a kin embarrassment. Pep can turn this around in a few months IF he gets the right players in Jan which is a notoriously hard month for signings.
 
CatMan said:
I respect your opinion, but if I can ask you who you believe genuinely still is (at the top of their form) , or has the potential (on a genuine upward slope) to be top class out of that current squad?

For me it is Dias.

Both keepers ageing and failing.

Stones, Ake, Walker and Akanji and on the downward cycle.

Lewis may be a player who is improving but he doesn't have a true position and is nowhere near physically good enough.

Gvardiol may well be worth keeping, but he is a centre half who has been played out of position that much he has forgotten the basics of his core trade.

Nunes is shite
Duku no end product & shite.
Savinho is a Brazilian Grealish.
Grealish, our worst ever signing.

KDB and Gundogan are decrepit.

Haaland is bone idle and one dimensional.

Foden for me is nothing more than an inside right who can cut in and occasionally (not this year mind) score from a long shot. He's completely out of form and may be suffering from having achieved too much so soon.

Bernado and Kovacic, although decent players, are not going to improve nor be good enough in the time this will take.

And as for Rodri, well who knows what the future may hold.

Christ knows what McAtee (and he's not the answer) must make of it all, as he can't get in a team that has a worse current record than anything he saw at Sheffield United!

In short, if we were to try and sell them, we'd probably have to give most of them away and that sums up where we are.
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Dias also not the player he was a couple of seasons ago when he was close to world class I would suggest but the closet thing we currently have to a leader and should be captain but he isn't VK in that regard either.

Not one player I can hand on heart say is anywhere near what they were even as recently as last season when winds of change were blowing.

As you say many because they are aging and not able to compete at this level anymore / currently and in all likelihood never will again ,

Only Dias , Rodri , Gvardiol , maybe one of the keepers but as a number two , Doku , Savinho ( only the latter two because we haven't really seen their full capability when better players are around them , Foden ( despite falling off a cliff this season ) , Haaland you would consider keeping if you had the wand the revamp the side in a window.

That means 12- 14 new players and of course that cannot be done in a couple of windows so the drop off will continue and take at least two seasons to start to rectify.
 
If done properly.... This will be a three to five year job. The squad has hit a wall, and two seasons worth of complacency is staring us in the face. Poor succession planning and arrogance by Pep and Txiki has left us with too many ageing and substandard players who are very obviously incapable of meeting the demands of 'elite' football.

Ederson - Mentally already elsewhere.
Ortega - Deserves regular football, will walk away.
Carson - Wage thief. Absolute joke of a squad member.
Walker - Finished
Stones - Made of glass, nearly finished
Akanji - Good squad / backup player. Made to look better by weaker players around him.
Ake - Same as Akanji
Dias - Definitely needs to be kept.
Gvardiol - Defensively, a headless chicken. Keep for one more season at CB, not LB or wing half.
Lewis - Not good enough at top level. Lightweight Championship player.
Bernardo - Finished at PL top level
Gundogan - Finished
De Bruyne - Finished
Foden - His bubble has burst. Nowhere near good enough to build any team around. Cash in.
Grealish - At the wrong club under Pep Guardiola. Needs to leave to resurrect his career.
Kovacic - One more year and he's Gundogan.
Rodri - Will leave City by choice. Won't sign another contract here. No chance.
Doku - Shite, schoolboy dribbler. No end product.
Savinho - See Doku
Bobb - Too raw, not ready for top level.
Haaland - See Rodri. Absolutely gone thanks to shit tactics employed by Guardiola.
McAtee - Less said, the better. Waste of a contract.

It's a total clear out needed, but the club can't do that over a couple of windows, so we'll be carrying passengers for a few more years.

Coach / Manager... Not Pep Guardiola. The single, very simple fact that he has NEVER, EVER, built a team or squad from scratch should be enough for the Board to thank him for his service, and pay him off.
His stubborn reluctance to use / develop / retain Academy product is a significant reason behind our current situation.

In s nutshell... Rip it up and start again with fresh faces at every level. Spend big on a top class young coach and staff, two strikers, three attacking midfielders, two defensive midfielders, three defenders, and two goalkeepers. All at, or with potential to hit, elite level within two years.

Yes.... That's how fucked Pep and Txiki have left this squad with their arrogance and failure to plan for the future.

It was always going to happen with Pep. It's been no surprise to me. My biggest disappointment is that such a well-run, wealthy organisation has allowed this to happen.

Mansour and Co have slept on the job.
 
Bluearmy said:
Genuine question, who is your pick with Premier league experience??
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Zakaria think the fee will be high considering our desperation, but the wages should be reasonable for 3 to 5 years, can be Rodri`s back up can play CB but not particularly well, is tall quick ish and determined. We may well have to play with 2 DM for quite a while even when Rodri returns, to build confidence in defense.
 
Semper aggressus said:
This, it’s all about players.

All we need to do is buy better players, ones that are as good or can be as good as the likes of KDB, Walker, etc have been in their prime.
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This is a revelatory thought. I've just spoken to my contacts at the club and told them about this post. Txiki was speechless, as the thought of buying better players had never occurred to him.
 
Lavinda Past said:
If done properly.... This will be a three to five year job. The squad has hit a wall, and two seasons worth of complacency is staring us in the face. Poor succession planning and arrogance by Pep and Txiki has left us with too many ageing and substandard players who are very obviously incapable of meeting the demands of 'elite' football.

Ederson - Mentally already elsewhere.
Ortega - Deserves regular football, will walk away.
Carson - Wage thief. Absolute joke of a squad member.
Walker - Finished
Stones - Made of glass, nearly finished
Akanji - Good squad / backup player. Made to look better by weaker players around him.
Ake - Same as Akanji
Dias - Definitely needs to be kept.
Gvardiol - Defensively, a headless chicken. Keep for one more season at CB, not LB or wing half.
Lewis - Not good enough at top level. Lightweight Championship player.
Bernardo - Finished at PL top level
Gundogan - Finished
De Bruyne - Finished
Foden - His bubble has burst. Nowhere near good enough to build any team around. Cash in.
Grealish - At the wrong club under Pep Guardiola. Needs to leave to resurrect his career.
Kovacic - One more year and he's Gundogan.
Rodri - Will leave City by choice. Won't sign another contract here. No chance.
Doku - Shite, schoolboy dribbler. No end product.
Savinho - See Doku
Bobb - Too raw, not ready for top level.
Haaland - See Rodri. Absolutely gone thanks to shit tactics employed by Guardiola.
McAtee - Less said, the better. Waste of a contract.

It's a total clear out needed, but the club can't do that over a couple of windows, so we'll be carrying passengers for a few more years.

Coach / Manager... Not Pep Guardiola. The single, very simple fact that he has NEVER, EVER, built a team or squad from scratch should be enough for the Board to thank him for his service, and pay him off.
His stubborn reluctance to use / develop / retain Academy product is a significant reason behind our current situation.

In s nutshell... Rip it up and start again with fresh faces at every level. Spend big on a top class young coach and staff, two strikers, three attacking midfielders, two defensive midfielders, three defenders, and two goalkeepers. All at, or with potential to hit, elite level within two years.

Yes.... That's how fucked Pep and Txiki have left this squad with their arrogance and failure to plan for the future.

It was always going to happen with Pep. It's been no surprise to me. My biggest disappointment is that such a well-run, wealthy organisation has allowed this to happen.

Mansour and Co have slept on the job.
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Agree with every word. Absolute best post I have seen on here for a long time, however standby for the happy clapper incoming salvo!
 
Lavinda Past said:
If done properly.... This will be a three to five year job. The squad has hit a wall, and two seasons worth of complacency is staring us in the face. Poor succession planning and arrogance by Pep and Txiki has left us with too many ageing and substandard players who are very obviously incapable of meeting the demands of 'elite' football.

Ederson - Mentally already elsewhere.
Ortega - Deserves regular football, will walk away.
Carson - Wage thief. Absolute joke of a squad member.
Walker - Finished
Stones - Made of glass, nearly finished
Akanji - Good squad / backup player. Made to look better by weaker players around him.
Ake - Same as Akanji
Dias - Definitely needs to be kept.
Gvardiol - Defensively, a headless chicken. Keep for one more season at CB, not LB or wing half.
Lewis - Not good enough at top level. Lightweight Championship player.
Bernardo - Finished at PL top level
Gundogan - Finished
De Bruyne - Finished
Foden - His bubble has burst. Nowhere near good enough to build any team around. Cash in.
Grealish - At the wrong club under Pep Guardiola. Needs to leave to resurrect his career.
Kovacic - One more year and he's Gundogan.
Rodri - Will leave City by choice. Won't sign another contract here. No chance.
Doku - Shite, schoolboy dribbler. No end product.
Savinho - See Doku
Bobb - Too raw, not ready for top level.
Haaland - See Rodri. Absolutely gone thanks to shit tactics employed by Guardiola.
McAtee - Less said, the better. Waste of a contract.

It's a total clear out needed, but the club can't do that over a couple of windows, so we'll be carrying passengers for a few more years.

Coach / Manager... Not Pep Guardiola. The single, very simple fact that he has NEVER, EVER, built a team or squad from scratch should be enough for the Board to thank him for his service, and pay him off.
His stubborn reluctance to use / develop / retain Academy product is a significant reason behind our current situation.

In s nutshell... Rip it up and start again with fresh faces at every level. Spend big on a top class young coach and staff, two strikers, three attacking midfielders, two defensive midfielders, three defenders, and two goalkeepers. All at, or with potential to hit, elite level within two years.

Yes.... That's how fucked Pep and Txiki have left this squad with their arrogance and failure to plan for the future.

It was always going to happen with Pep. It's been no surprise to me. My biggest disappointment is that such a well-run, wealthy organisation has allowed this to happen.

Mansour and Co have slept on the job.
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We won the league last season when every player bar KDB had arrived on Pep's watch. If that's not building a squad then I don't know what is.

You say Pep is stubborn when it comes to using the academy, but then say that Lewis, Foden and McAtee are all a waste of a shirt.
 
Groke said:
as per Einstein's definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. This for me is Pep at the moment, we haven't got the right players available (or operating at the levels they could a couple of seasons ago), to play the system we're playing week in week out - it's not working.
We've still got decent talent available, but unfortunately the system is making them look shit - attackers constantly facing packed penalty areas and defenders and midfielders being exposed time and time again.
Pep needs to change his mentality, be more pragmatic, sit deeper etc - change the system to suit what's available - he can go back to high possession based football again when reinforcements come in, but for the short term he needs to sacrifice his principals.
At the moment everyone knows the script, which will be repeated on Sunday without doubt We're like a boxer with a glass jaw and a weak punch always being on the front foot against a less skilful opponent, never landing a meaningful blow but with our guard down - everyone can see the KO counter punch coming.
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Bang on and well-predicted.
 
Imo we need to sell Walker asap so we can have a new captain.

Ideally imo we'd bring 4 players...a new RB, CM & 2 AM.

If our first team allowed us to have a bench of Stones, Lewis, Gundogan, KDB, Foden, Savinho/Doku, then I'd think he'd be well on the way to a proper rebuild in the summer. In that case maybe only we'd be challenging again next season.

But I doubt we'll get that many players so the rebuild won't really even start till the summer so we' be at least an extra season building up.

We are also asking a lot of Pep's successor if that's soon.

So anywhere from 1- 3 seasons would be best case. 5+ more likely unfortunately. Once it's not dire in the meantime I'd be happy.

I don't know if we need a Keegan or a Royle next.
 
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