GaudinoMotors
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maine-road-ali said:
Agreed - but there's not been that many games since he won our two most important matches - we know he's a great player and I'm sure he'll come good again soon.
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How much did Mancini get wrong?
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Agreed - but there's not been that many games since he won our two most important matches - we know he's a great player and I'm sure he'll come good again soon.
Citizen52
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It's hard to say really because for 30-35 minutes we looked comfortable.
Obviously none of us are in Mancini's shoes and that's for a reason. The goals changed Bayern's confidence definitely but that said there were warning signs before it, there was a situation where they had 5 players on 3 defenders which highlighted to me how much our midfield was overrun. Schweinsteiger and Ribery poured forward with others at will - now we have already seen the gulf in class between the Europa and Champions Leagues and so we really did not help ourselves in preventing them doing so.
The defending was shocking on occasions there was minimal protection for Hart - I think defending is done not only individually but collectively and there wasn't enough support from the midfield. Whether that was a price of starting Nasri and Silva together I do not know.
One thing that did occur to me was maybe we could have approached it with De Jong starting (not sure how fit he was) and gone 4-5-1. It wouldn't have given us much by the way of creativity and we may have conceded anyway but maybe we could have got to half-time at 0-0 and then who knows after half-time we could revamp things and look to attack a bit more.
I just find his subs strange at times, bringing Dzeko off at 2-0 down, it's like taking Adebayor off for Zabaleta at Wolves losing 2-1 last season. To my mind, if you're going to stem the tide and do that at 2-0 down to prevent 3-0 then either do it from the start of the game or be even more adventurous (although that could have had catastrophic consequences so I would favour the former).
I think Barry is limited at this level, I have generally defended him in the past but thought he really struggled and was out of his depth tonight.
Who knows on another night if we get the early penalty on Silva and go one nil up that would obviously have given Mancini's line up a bit more justification but even then would we have held on, built on it or would we have had a Hamburg away situation a few years back?
Obviously none of us are in Mancini's shoes and that's for a reason. The goals changed Bayern's confidence definitely but that said there were warning signs before it, there was a situation where they had 5 players on 3 defenders which highlighted to me how much our midfield was overrun. Schweinsteiger and Ribery poured forward with others at will - now we have already seen the gulf in class between the Europa and Champions Leagues and so we really did not help ourselves in preventing them doing so.
The defending was shocking on occasions there was minimal protection for Hart - I think defending is done not only individually but collectively and there wasn't enough support from the midfield. Whether that was a price of starting Nasri and Silva together I do not know.
One thing that did occur to me was maybe we could have approached it with De Jong starting (not sure how fit he was) and gone 4-5-1. It wouldn't have given us much by the way of creativity and we may have conceded anyway but maybe we could have got to half-time at 0-0 and then who knows after half-time we could revamp things and look to attack a bit more.
I just find his subs strange at times, bringing Dzeko off at 2-0 down, it's like taking Adebayor off for Zabaleta at Wolves losing 2-1 last season. To my mind, if you're going to stem the tide and do that at 2-0 down to prevent 3-0 then either do it from the start of the game or be even more adventurous (although that could have had catastrophic consequences so I would favour the former).
I think Barry is limited at this level, I have generally defended him in the past but thought he really struggled and was out of his depth tonight.
Who knows on another night if we get the early penalty on Silva and go one nil up that would obviously have given Mancini's line up a bit more justification but even then would we have held on, built on it or would we have had a Hamburg away situation a few years back?
mancityscot
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how do we know dzeko is dropped for the next game?
KolarovsLeftPeg
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mancityscot said:how do we know dzeko is dropped for the next game?
He said in his post match interview..
'Next game he'll sit with me on the bench'
KolarovsLeftPeg
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I did, but I noticed that beforehand too. The De Jong sub didn't make us less effective going forward. It went from 0% effectiveness, to 0% effectiveness. But defending our own box went up in effectiveness a little bit, so for me - good sub.Bosno said:Didn't anyone else notice that when De Jong was brought on, Bayern had most of the possession for about 15-20 minutes. They were controlling the midfield and City had no attack whatsoever.
JoeMercer'sWay
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RyantheBlue said:Balti said:JoeMercer'sWay said:hasn't learnt when to play with 3 in midfield and when to stick with 2.
hasn't learn to drop Nasri/Silva/Dzeko/Aguero when they haven't played that well.
Stuck with the same team virtually all season then drops our better CB(Lescott) and keeps leaving Carlos on the bench(ticking time bomb) and instead of resting Dzeko leaves him on letting him get frustrated then hauls him off.
These players don't know they're born though, fucking pathetic.
Yep a neat summation
I'd agree with bits. I wouldn't have started Tevez, but definitely would've started Lescott.
I agree with 3 of the 4 players you said didn't play well, Nasri hasn't done much for me since Spurs, Dzeko's dried up and Aguero seems to be struggling a little when he gets man-marked!
I don't think Silva has played anywhere near as well as he should be, he's just been getting away with it for the most part, not tonight he looked bobbins imho.
Nasri seems to have no nerve and no ability to be cutting edge and beat a man when it matters, so go and prove me wrong Samir.
Dzeko was good up to Fulham but now is either trying too hard or by being played into the ground is running out of steam, form and confidence.
Aguero just stands there but scores when he's put through, oddly enough I'd have dropped him for Carlos before tonight as I'd have wanted Carlos's work rate and drive, after tonight though we're stuck with static Sergio, moody Mario and maybe Dzeko if he takes it on the chin at least till january.
No reason why Hargreaves or De Jong or Milner couldn't have played tonight, even if it was just 2 of them for 45 minutes each.
God I wish we had somebody like Sneijder or Mata, somebody with some pace and energy up front.
This was always going to be tough test. Bayern are the most in form team in Europe. How many of you were expecting winning against in form, top 5 club away? I think draw would have being fantastic result. When you lose you can always find faults but honestly getting a result here was long shot and it is not like City lost 5-0.
Too many of you are panicking too early.
Too many of you are panicking too early.
Gelsons Dad
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I think he was over ambitious with his starting tactics but NDJ's fitness may well have dictated that. I don't like Nasri/Silva/Aguero/Dzeko all playing together. We are too light in midfield like this. I would have played 433 with Milner and Yaya in front of Barry and a front three of Aguero, Dzeko and Silva.
Did everything wrong. In a so important match, he started Kolo over Lescott, even though he didn't play a game for months. On the side of two super fast, small, agile, technically perfect players, Lahm and Ribery, he started Micah, who looked like an amateur against them.
Then the subs...Being 2 goals behind and taking off Szeko for a third defensive midfielder...Aguero was the one to sub, played bad, and on the edge of a red card. In my opinion, it was the midfield, especially Barry, who should have been replaced, the right back - Zabaleta for Richards, and wingers Milner or Johnson for Nasri, or Aguero, even on the half time.
City looked like a german's second division team who's been dominated silly in the cup. Awful.
Then the subs...Being 2 goals behind and taking off Szeko for a third defensive midfielder...Aguero was the one to sub, played bad, and on the edge of a red card. In my opinion, it was the midfield, especially Barry, who should have been replaced, the right back - Zabaleta for Richards, and wingers Milner or Johnson for Nasri, or Aguero, even on the half time.
City looked like a german's second division team who's been dominated silly in the cup. Awful.