How much will J.Navas improve the team over J.Milner?

I love Milner and his workrate for the side is second to none, but it's a no brainer who to
start on the right hand side against Newcastle. Navas is quicker, trickier and can cross
the ball in aswell, something Milner still needs to work on in his game. Navas all the way,
with Milner to replace him round the 65 min mark.
 
andrewmswift said:
Joburg Hero said:
I hate to say it, but come May 2014, we'll all be quite sick of Navas. He's hugely frustrating, and while he will provide the width that many City fans have craved for years, he's not a good enough, or intelligent enough player to provide a genuinely top class option out wide. He's so quick, but it's one thing being quick, and one thing knowing how to use it. He beats a man on the outside and delivers a cross a few times per game, but the number of times he'll brainlessly run himself into dead ends is heartbreaking. His delivery is ok, nothing to shout about, but I do expect him to pick up a fair few assists by virtue of his pace and fairly good delivery alone.

As we're all aware, we play a very distinct, compact game, focused on central areas. In turn, teams pack the central areas and leave space out wide. The belief amongst City fans is that Navas is going to hug the touchline while everyone else is central and we're suddenly going to have much more space in the middle because someone will have to mark Navas. Wrong. Full backs will leave him out there, there's no reason to mark him, by the time a ball is sprayed out wide to him the full back will have had time to split from the CBs, the CBs will have shuffled across, and the danger will be averted. There's a reason why in our system players don't hug the touchline, it's because it's ineffective to do so.

What was noticeable against Arsenal was that we were determined to get the ball wide, keep the ball wide and put more crosses into the box. Whether this was a Pellegrini tactic, or whether this was a product of having two static strikers in the box and fewer options centrally is yet to be seen; I'll never know what Pellegrini instructed the boys to do, but should this pattern of play continue throughout the season it'll be evident that it's a tactical ploy. In this instance, Navas' value to the side will be increased. However, once Aguero returns - and Jovetic is integrated into the side - I expect play to be focused through the central areas again.

What Milner brings to the side? Well he's more intelligent for starters, he'll use the ball much more effectively and will play the percentages game. Years ago Milner was the type who'd run aimlessly down the wing into cul-de-sacs, a la Navas, but he's taken a lot of that out of his game and developed well as a footballer. Milner is also better technically and will score more goals. I'd be quite happy to see Milner play on the right ahead of Navas at times this season, but Navas deserves the chance to prove himself. Milner proved himself last season, he was one of our best performers, imo the pressure's all on Navas. As I've said before, and a few have also highlighted here, Navas will provide us with much quicker counter attacks and transitions, which will be essential in the big European games.

Wow. Some fucking shit here. The guy who is literally the only option that Spain will use for width and always makes the Spain bench in big games and usually comes on is shit.

Idiocy.

Super Idiocy fella... Navas had most assists in la liga last year..

where do these posters spring up from???..
 
samharris said:
andrewmswift said:
Joburg Hero said:
I hate to say it, but come May 2014, we'll all be quite sick of Navas. He's hugely frustrating, and while he will provide the width that many City fans have craved for years, he's not a good enough, or intelligent enough player to provide a genuinely top class option out wide. He's so quick, but it's one thing being quick, and one thing knowing how to use it. He beats a man on the outside and delivers a cross a few times per game, but the number of times he'll brainlessly run himself into dead ends is heartbreaking. His delivery is ok, nothing to shout about, but I do expect him to pick up a fair few assists by virtue of his pace and fairly good delivery alone.

As we're all aware, we play a very distinct, compact game, focused on central areas. In turn, teams pack the central areas and leave space out wide. The belief amongst City fans is that Navas is going to hug the touchline while everyone else is central and we're suddenly going to have much more space in the middle because someone will have to mark Navas. Wrong. Full backs will leave him out there, there's no reason to mark him, by the time a ball is sprayed out wide to him the full back will have had time to split from the CBs, the CBs will have shuffled across, and the danger will be averted. There's a reason why in our system players don't hug the touchline, it's because it's ineffective to do so.

What was noticeable against Arsenal was that we were determined to get the ball wide, keep the ball wide and put more crosses into the box. Whether this was a Pellegrini tactic, or whether this was a product of having two static strikers in the box and fewer options centrally is yet to be seen; I'll never know what Pellegrini instructed the boys to do, but should this pattern of play continue throughout the season it'll be evident that it's a tactical ploy. In this instance, Navas' value to the side will be increased. However, once Aguero returns - and Jovetic is integrated into the side - I expect play to be focused through the central areas again.

What Milner brings to the side? Well he's more intelligent for starters, he'll use the ball much more effectively and will play the percentages game. Years ago Milner was the type who'd run aimlessly down the wing into cul-de-sacs, a la Navas, but he's taken a lot of that out of his game and developed well as a footballer. Milner is also better technically and will score more goals. I'd be quite happy to see Milner play on the right ahead of Navas at times this season, but Navas deserves the chance to prove himself. Milner proved himself last season, he was one of our best performers, imo the pressure's all on Navas. As I've said before, and a few have also highlighted here, Navas will provide us with much quicker counter attacks and transitions, which will be essential in the big European games.

Wow. Some fucking shit here. The guy who is literally the only option that Spain will use for width and always makes the Spain bench in big games and usually comes on is shit.

Idiocy.

Super Idiocy fella... Navas had most assists in la liga last year..

where do these posters spring up from???..


Navas only got 6 assists in la ligament last year , 9 in all competitions.

<a class="postlink" href="http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/37449/jesus-navas-gonz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/37449/jesus-navas-gonz</a>ález?cc=5739
 
Blue Shield said:
samharris said:
andrewmswift said:
Wow. Some fucking shit here. The guy who is literally the only option that Spain will use for width and always makes the Spain bench in big games and usually comes on is shit.

Idiocy.

Super Idiocy fella... Navas had most assists in la liga last year..

where do these posters spring up from???..


Navas only got 6 assists in la ligament last year , 9 in all competitions.

<a class="postlink" href="http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/37449/jesus-navas-gonz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/37449/jesus-navas-gonz</a>ález?cc=5739

Yes you're right, he tends to make key passes more - so the pass before the assist. For example against Milan the first goal was a cross to Jovetic who assisted Silva.
 
samharris said:
andrewmswift said:
Joburg Hero said:
I hate to say it, but come May 2014, we'll all be quite sick of Navas. He's hugely frustrating, and while he will provide the width that many City fans have craved for years, he's not a good enough, or intelligent enough player to provide a genuinely top class option out wide. He's so quick, but it's one thing being quick, and one thing knowing how to use it. He beats a man on the outside and delivers a cross a few times per game, but the number of times he'll brainlessly run himself into dead ends is heartbreaking. His delivery is ok, nothing to shout about, but I do expect him to pick up a fair few assists by virtue of his pace and fairly good delivery alone.

As we're all aware, we play a very distinct, compact game, focused on central areas. In turn, teams pack the central areas and leave space out wide. The belief amongst City fans is that Navas is going to hug the touchline while everyone else is central and we're suddenly going to have much more space in the middle because someone will have to mark Navas. Wrong. Full backs will leave him out there, there's no reason to mark him, by the time a ball is sprayed out wide to him the full back will have had time to split from the CBs, the CBs will have shuffled across, and the danger will be averted. There's a reason why in our system players don't hug the touchline, it's because it's ineffective to do so.

What was noticeable against Arsenal was that we were determined to get the ball wide, keep the ball wide and put more crosses into the box. Whether this was a Pellegrini tactic, or whether this was a product of having two static strikers in the box and fewer options centrally is yet to be seen; I'll never know what Pellegrini instructed the boys to do, but should this pattern of play continue throughout the season it'll be evident that it's a tactical ploy. In this instance, Navas' value to the side will be increased. However, once Aguero returns - and Jovetic is integrated into the side - I expect play to be focused through the central areas again.

What Milner brings to the side? Well he's more intelligent for starters, he'll use the ball much more effectively and will play the percentages game. Years ago Milner was the type who'd run aimlessly down the wing into cul-de-sacs, a la Navas, but he's taken a lot of that out of his game and developed well as a footballer. Milner is also better technically and will score more goals. I'd be quite happy to see Milner play on the right ahead of Navas at times this season, but Navas deserves the chance to prove himself. Milner proved himself last season, he was one of our best performers, imo the pressure's all on Navas. As I've said before, and a few have also highlighted here, Navas will provide us with much quicker counter attacks and transitions, which will be essential in the big European games.

Wow. Some fucking shit here. The guy who is literally the only option that Spain will use for width and always makes the Spain bench in big games and usually comes on is shit.

Idiocy.

Super Idiocy fella... Navas had most assists in la liga last year..

where do these posters spring up from???.


Red Issue usually.
 
For me, Zabba apart, Milner was defineatly our most consistent player last season.

Barring injury, I'd defineatly start him in all of our away games, 'cos, to be honest, I think playing Jovetic & Silva together, on the road, could leave us a little too open in midfield.

Come to think of it, I think the same situation is going to apply at home too. Navas is surely going to get a lot of game time this season, (particularly at the Etihad)

As neither Silva, Jovetic or Navas aren't renowned for there tracking back or tackling, (Milner's main strengths) I don't think it is ever going to be plausible to play all 3, without someone like Milner, in the same side.

Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
completley different players, both are very good players. I would rather start milner against the bigger team because his stamina and defensive side adds so much to us. Hes also beating player now and has improved his crossing. I would bring on navas in the later stages of the game to attack a tired defence

dont think you can compare them, navas is a winger and milner naturally is a cm, he should be played there
 
Blue Shield said:
samharris said:
andrewmswift said:
Wow. Some fucking shit here. The guy who is literally the only option that Spain will use for width and always makes the Spain bench in big games and usually comes on is shit.

Idiocy.

Super Idiocy fella... Navas had most assists in la liga last year..

where do these posters spring up from???..


Navas only got 6 assists in la ligament last year , 9 in all competitions.

<a class="postlink" href="http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/37449/jesus-navas-gonz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/37449/jesus-navas-gonz</a>ález?cc=5739

sure I saw that he had most..<br /><br />-- Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:11 pm --<br /><br />
de niro said:
different players of course but there are not many players in the squad i'd start before jimmy.

Jimmys my favourite player,,reminds me of City players of old..
 
Milner is a 100% battling midfieder.....no need for de rossi shite.
Fuck playing the wings....hes so obviously what we need in CM
 
Hopefully Navas will provide some direct running into or around the box. Whilst Milner can be effective he isn't as explosive or direct. Plus we've really lacked a pacey midget since Bellamy left
 
Milner isn't really a CM, he has no place in our side at CM. Maybe he could play CM for a mid-table side but never at City. Rodwell is a much better option.
 
Joburg Hero said:
Milner isn't really a CM, he has no place in our side at CM. Maybe he could play CM for a mid-table side but never at City. Rodwell is a much better option.

So excited for Rodwell next season. He's so good for his age but just needs to avoid injuries.
 
Joburg Hero said:
Milner isn't really a CM, he has no place in our side at CM. Maybe he could play CM for a mid-table side but never at City. Rodwell is a much better option.
Soo sooo wrong
 
Saif1994 said:
Joburg Hero said:
Milner isn't really a CM, he has no place in our side at CM. Maybe he could play CM for a mid-table side but never at City. Rodwell is a much better option.

So excited for Rodwell next season. He's so good for his age but just needs to avoid injuries.
Yep, could be a special prospect if he gets the game time. Immense frame; power, pace, agility, and a good footballer with two feet. I was quite looking forward to seeing Rodwell-Yaya this season but I think Fernandinho will hinder his development. Regardless, in the long run, it should be Rodwell that is a permanent fixture as the box to box midfielder.
 
mrbelfry said:
Hopefully Navas will provide some direct running into or around the box. Whilst Milner can be effective he isn't as explosive or direct. Plus we've really lacked a pacey midget since Bellamy left

This. Everyone says we lack width but I think a player who just directly runs at the opposition is what was missing. Hazard would have won us the league last year, never mind van Persie. I expect that Navas will offer this, cutting inside and running while sometimes linking with the other forward players. The full-backs again, will provide width
 
Joburg Hero said:
Saif1994 said:
Joburg Hero said:
Milner isn't really a CM, he has no place in our side at CM. Maybe he could play CM for a mid-table side but never at City. Rodwell is a much better option.

So excited for Rodwell next season. He's so good for his age but just needs to avoid injuries.
Yep, could be a special prospect if he gets the game time. Immense frame; power, pace, agility, and a good footballer with two feet. I was quite looking forward to seeing Rodwell-Yaya this season but I think Fernandinho will hinder his development. Regardless, in the long run, it should be Rodwell that is a permanent fixture as the box to box midfielder.

Your knowledge of soccerball is amazing.

Fernandinho will hinder Rodwells development ?

Head wobbling time.
 

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