Howard Webb

[malg]

After today, if you don't understand how we are refereed differently you are an imbecile.

Also, if you don't realise why Ferguson won so much domestically then you're a ****.

 

[borassic]

Same old bollocks, different thread. Lets put a few myths to bed as far as penalties are concerned. If you look at the last five seasons (2010 onwards) there are a few surprises, at least as far as conspiracy theorists are concerned. Most Premier League penalties in that time? Manchester City. Least penalties conceded in that time? Manchester City. Now, if you supported other teams you might think there was something going on...
Just for completeness.
Team Penalties for. Penalties against
City. 41. 14
Utd. 34. 17
Arsenal. 27. 28
L'pool. 38. 24
Chelsea. 38. 17
Everton. 21. 22
Spurs. 25. 22
Newcastle. 15. 28

I think if you looked at stats regarding length of time spent in the opposition box then City would be at the top too.

 

[BigOscar]

Same old bollocks, different thread. Lets put a few myths to bed as far as penalties are concerned. If you look at the last five seasons (2010 onwards) there are a few surprises, at least as far as conspiracy theorists are concerned. Most Premier League penalties in that time? Manchester City. Least penalties conceded in that time? Manchester City. Now, if you supported other teams you might think there was something going on...
Just for completeness.
Team Penalties for. Penalties against
City. 41. 14
Utd. 34. 17
Arsenal. 27. 28
L'pool. 38. 24
Chelsea. 38. 17
Everton. 21. 22
Spurs. 25. 22
Newcastle. 15. 28

Or you could use your eyes and see the blatant penalties not given to us every fucking week? Or the amount of "soft" penalties other teams get. Nah, fuck actually watching games, lets just use stats

 

[Gundogan's Moustache]

Same old bollocks, different thread. Lets put a few myths to bed as far as penalties are concerned. If you look at the last five seasons (2010 onwards) there are a few surprises, at least as far as conspiracy theorists are concerned. Most Premier League penalties in that time? Manchester City. Least penalties conceded in that time? Manchester City. Now, if you supported other teams you might think there was something going on...
Just for completeness.
Team Penalties for. Penalties against
City. 41. 14
Utd. 34. 17
Arsenal. 27. 28
L'pool. 38. 24
Chelsea. 38. 17
Everton. 21. 22
Spurs. 25. 22
Newcastle. 15. 28

Does that mean we can forget the three stonewall penalties we should of had on Sterling , Aguero and Navas in the last couple of weeks ?

 

[dickie davies]

Same old bollocks, different thread. Lets put a few myths to bed as far as penalties are concerned. If you look at the last five seasons (2010 onwards) there are a few surprises, at least as far as conspiracy theorists are concerned. Most Premier League penalties in that time? Manchester City. Least penalties conceded in that time? Manchester City. Now, if you supported other teams you might think there was something going on...
Just for completeness.
Team Penalties for. Penalties against
City. 41. 14
Utd. 34. 17
Arsenal. 27. 28
L'pool. 38. 24
Chelsea. 38. 17
Everton. 21. 22
Spurs. 25. 22
Newcastle. 15. 28

That 41 should be more like 51 with the number of nailed on pens not given
We've had two not given in the last seven days

 

[RyanP3609]

Same old bollocks, different thread. Lets put a few myths to bed as far as penalties are concerned. If you look at the last five seasons (2010 onwards) there are a few surprises, at least as far as conspiracy theorists are concerned. Most Premier League penalties in that time? Manchester City. Least penalties conceded in that time? Manchester City. Now, if you supported other teams you might think there was something going on...
Just for completeness.
Team Penalties for. Penalties against
City. 41. 14
Utd. 34. 17
Arsenal. 27. 28
L'pool. 38. 24
Chelsea. 38. 17
Everton. 21. 22
Spurs. 25. 22
Newcastle. 15. 28

And can you tell me when those penalties were given? I.E. Times of the match/final score of the game? As without even looking at any I'd be fairly sure that a lot of our penalties are given when we are cruising in a game up by at least 2/3 goals. Whereas the scum get pens when they are drawing and need a victory or to salvage a result. I'd hazard a guess at that anyways.

Even if that isn't true (I cba checking) that still doesn't ignore the fact we've not had the last three stonewallers (two of which were in a game we lost). Meanwhile the scum are handed pen's when they matter, today being a prime example.

We've had 3 this season meanwhile Leicester have had 8, we SHOULD be on 6. Nothing you can show me can change that fact.

 

[bluetev]

Same old bollocks, different thread. Lets put a few myths to bed as far as penalties are concerned. If you look at the last five seasons (2010 onwards) there are a few surprises, at least as far as conspiracy theorists are concerned. Most Premier League penalties in that time? Manchester City. Least penalties conceded in that time? Manchester City. Now, if you supported other teams you might think there was something going on...
Just for completeness.
Team Penalties for. Penalties against
City. 41. 14
Utd. 34. 17
Arsenal. 27. 28
L'pool. 38. 24
Chelsea. 38. 17
Everton. 21. 22
Spurs. 25. 22
Newcastle. 15. 28

Just for "completeness" could you remind us
- Any other team which had FOUR clearcut penalty appeals denied against their derby opponents in just one match, one of which would have been last man / red card, not to mention the odd elbow offence overlooked (the return match saw a couple of offside goals against us just to mix it up)
- a clearer penalty being denied along with a yellow card for diving, than the one "awarded" to Aguero vs Southampton 1-2 seasons back.
- Which one of the three penalties denied to us recently (sterling v Sunderland, Aguero v Leicester, navas v Everton) did not have significantly more contact than the Manure "penalty" today.

Of course, as you pointed out, city still have more penalties awarded though. Do you think might have any correlation to the amount of time we spend camped around the opponents penalty box?

 

[Ajm1985]

I'm fairly certain that City have scored the most goals in the past 4 years, created most chances, created most clear cut chances, had more possession in oppositions area and more touches in the area. If not top, there abouts. There is a huge correlation between the above and penalties given (and conversely penalties awarded against us).

None of the stats highlight the ineptitude of some the decision making from the refs. Whether it's an intentional bias or they are just shite, the level of officiating is shocking

 

[hertsblue]

If i was th club i would be sending the FA a video of all our recent turned down penalties and theirs today and ask for an explanation. at least we can let them know we are onto them.

 

[stablemcfc]

Same old bollocks, different thread. Lets put a few myths to bed as far as penalties are concerned. If you look at the last five seasons (2010 onwards) there are a few surprises, at least as far as conspiracy theorists are concerned. Most Premier League penalties in that time? Manchester City. Least penalties conceded in that time? Manchester City. Now, if you supported other teams you might think there was something going on...
Just for completeness.
Team Penalties for. Penalties against
City. 41. 14
Utd. 34. 17
Arsenal. 27. 28
L'pool. 38. 24
Chelsea. 38. 17
Everton. 21. 22
Spurs. 25. 22
Newcastle. 15. 28

Whilst I'm in agreement with you about conspiracy theories being nonsense & those stats certainly show the pattern you'd expect to see given how we play - I'm sure on one of the paranoid threads there were stats banging around that we were & have been for a while one of, if not the least fouled team in the league for years, which was surprising given the players we have and our style (if they were true stats; didn't bother researching myself) - it would be interesting to see them stats if people still had them.

I remember last season (or the season before perhaps) where we got a ton of lucky decisions in regards to offsides etc. This season feels the opposite, majority of 50:50 decisions seem to have gone the other way, with 3 pretty clear penalties not being given of late so I can at least understand the frustrations even if I put it down to swings & roundabouts whilst others may claim conspiracy. Got no excuses for Webb though, claiming Aguero's stonewaller against Leicester was not a penalty was ludicrous frankly.

 

[aguero93:20]

That 41 should be more like 51 with the number of nailed on pens not given
We've had two not given in the last seven days

More like 82.

 

[aguero93:20]

The guys a cheating red twat simple as that! Always was a cheat even when he was a ref now just confirming that with his views on telly just ignore the prick and abuse him if your ever unfortunate or lucky enough to see him depends which way you see it :) one of the worst refs EVER

Lucky.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

After today, if you don't understand how we are refereed differently you are an imbecile.

Those that can't see still won't see.

Cheat/bent/agenda/bias call it what you want.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I feel some balance is required on this thread, as people have selective memories when it comes to referees. In his latter years Webb refereed City quite well and fairly too, which was frequently acknowledged on here at the time.

He's clearly taken a preposterously inconsistent line of late in relation to these penalties, and I'm not saying we're reffed in an equitable way more generally, as we're demonstrably not, but I don't believe Webb was guilty of that, at least towards the end of his career.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Whilst I'm in agreement with you about conspiracy theories being nonsense & those stats certainly show the pattern you'd expect to see given how we play - I'm sure on one of the paranoid threads there were stats banging around that we were & have been for a while one of, if not the least fouled team in the league for years, which was surprising given the players we have and our style (if they were true stats; didn't bother researching myself) - it would be interesting to see them stats if people still had them.

I remember last season (or the season before perhaps) where we got a ton of lucky decisions in regards to offsides etc. This season feels the opposite, majority of 50:50 decisions seem to have gone the other way, with 3 pretty clear penalties not being given of late so I can at least understand the frustrations even if I put it down to swings & roundabouts whilst others may claim conspiracy. Got no excuses for Webb though, claiming Aguero's stonewaller against Leicester was not a penalty was ludicrous frankly.

I agree with all that. I was just trying to bring a bit of perspective. From a personal point of view, I've never had an issue with not getting decisions. If the officials haven't seen it, then they haven't seen it. I do, on the other hand, struggle to understand them giving things that just haven't happened! An offside should never be given that is subsequently proven to be onside. Similarly a foul shouldn't be given, where no foul has been committed and no booking for simulation should be handed out, where no dive has occurred.
As for the fouling stats, there was quite a brew ha made of the 'net' foul statistics. We appear to have the worst record in that we commit many fouls and don't get given many in return. The theory goes that, as we have more possession than most, there must be nefarious deeds afoot. I rather suspect it's a bit more complex than that. We have players who rarely look to go down when fouled, we have lots of 'advantage' played as most of our players are mentally very aware of what's going on around them and we have defenders who are either trying to get the ball before a forward gets it with the inherent risks that runs, or defenders and midfielders caught hopelessly out of position and a foul/booking is the obvious course of action. Of course, I could well be wrong and there may well be a cabal of referees who just decide how they can screw us over every week!

 

[malg]

That was a definite penalty for that shower. That **** made a ridiculous jump into the air though.

 

[The blue phantom]

After today, if you don't understand how we are refereed differently you are an imbecile.

Are you saying refs are instructed to referee Manchester city matches dif to other teams?

You do know theres threads and comments like this on every other clubs fans forums?

 

[mat]

Are you saying refs are instructed to referee Manchester city matches dif to other teams?

You do know theres threads and comments like this on every other clubs fans forums?

Watch our games and see how different refs consistently apply the same rule on advantage to us compared to the opposition. Its happened since the dippers game IMO.

 

[cookster]

I feel some balance is required on this thread, as people have selective memories when it comes to referees. In his latter years Webb refereed City quite well and fairly too, which was frequently acknowledged on here at the time.

He's clearly taken a preposterously inconsistent line of late in relation to these penalties, and I'm not saying we're reffed in an equitable way more generally, as we're demonstrably not, but I don't believe Webb was guilty of that, at least towards the end of his career.

Just stop it. We don't need balance on here!

 

[The blue phantom]

Watch our games and see how different refs consistently apply the same rule on advantage to us compared to the opposition. Its happened since the dippers game IMO.

If i think i know what your getting at anyone of those refs could come out and blow the lid on one of the biggest PL scandals ever.