Howard Webb

I understand where Howard is coming from on this one, BUT ONLY if the player was not Aguero who just doesn't have a reputation as a diver.
Most players cheat these days and any sign of cheating must make a pen appeal null and void.
Players must appear to fall naturally if they don't the pen appeal should be waved away.
 
BlueAnorak said:
I understand where Howard is coming from on this one, BUT ONLY if the player was not Aguero who just doesn't have a reputation as a diver.
Most players cheat these days and any sign of cheating must make a pen appeal null and void.
Players must appear to fall naturally if they don't the pen appeal should be waved away.
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Yeh I agree a bit like Mempuis who jumped 4ft in the air after having been tapped on the shin that Webb insisted was a definite pen.....
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I agree with all that. I was just trying to bring a bit of perspective. From a personal point of view, I've never had an issue with not getting decisions. If the officials haven't seen it, then they haven't seen it. I do, on the other hand, struggle to understand them giving things that just haven't happened! An offside should never be given that is subsequently proven to be onside. Similarly a foul shouldn't be given, where no foul has been committed and no booking for simulation should be handed out, where no dive has occurred.
As for the fouling stats, there was quite a brew ha made of the 'net' foul statistics. We appear to have the worst record in that we commit many fouls and don't get given many in return. The theory goes that, as we have more possession than most, there must be nefarious deeds afoot. I rather suspect it's a bit more complex than that. We have players who rarely look to go down when fouled, we have lots of 'advantage' played as most of our players are mentally very aware of what's going on around them and we have defenders who are either trying to get the ball before a forward gets it with the inherent risks that runs, or defenders and midfielders caught hopelessly out of position and a foul/booking is the obvious course of action. Of course, I could well be wrong and there may well be a cabal of referees who just decide how they can screw us over every week!
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It's not a conscious thing or a conspiracy it's a way of thinking which has become the norm after many years.

In this country the 'old guard' teams get more than their fair share of decisions & those who challenge them get stitched up more than their fair share. Same will then happen with Real Madrid, Barca etc etc.

I think the media directly effects the way officials think too, hence it's important we stand up to it. Ferguson knew this.

20 years from now, Liverpool etc may get shit on & we may get soft fouls given. Right now we are the enemy of the 'old guard' & it subconciously effects officials in the same way that neutral, English fans find it a natural thing to boo Sterling for leaving Liverpool, without thinking why they are booing him.

We are subject to negative thinking.
 
Gray said:
The ref at the Spurs v Leicester match (Madley) couldn't get the whistle to his mouth fast enough when the ball bounced up onto Dyer's hand.

If that had been us instead of Spurs - no penalty.
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please excuse the language, but how that c**t could give a penalty today, (when his view was blocked) ,and not give one last Wednesday, (when he had a clear unobstructed view and was looking straight at it ) absolutely beggars belief!

ALL penalty decisions, whether given or not given , are by definition game-changing, and as such should ALL be reviewed, (either by the referee himself ala Rugby, or the 4th official on a TV monitor, or even a panel of officials, be it in the stand or elsewhere, )

Use of video technology can't come soon enough, who care's if you can't get ALL decisions right, i absolutely guarantee you there would be a lot less wrong ones than at the moment,

That goes for Red cards too. Nobody doubts it will come, its just a matter of when, and in what form.
 
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Graeme Souness said:
Madley is my new hate figure. At best he is incompetent, at worst he has an agenda.
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west ham at home this season was shocking by both city in the way we played and the ref (Madley) he give everything to west ham and only adding 4 mins injury time when 5 subs was used in the second half and west ham going down everytime wasting time even 1 of the west ham players had enough and pulled up a west ham player for wasting time I went home and watch the replays and if he added 10 mins it would have not been enough but to only play 4 min shocking
 
I think Madeley is desperate like all young refs who want to get onto Uefa/Fifa list and have a World Cup in their sights - they are gonna referee to the book. Not the book that contains the Laws of the Game, but the unwritten book that states that if you want to get on in refereeing you have to do it this way!

The sooner we get video reffin, and/or the system used in American football where the ref comes on and tells the crowd what went on and what is happening! We allow referees to get away with too much with no explanation one way or the other. I'd like to know why the ref didn't give one pen and a game later gives a pen for the same offence, and so on!
 
The same day we effectively lost the title in the 12/13 season to baconface the following happened:

-Vidic pulled a player down to the ground in the penalty area during a corner. Stonewall penalty, even MOTD rags thought so. No penalty given.
-We were playing Everton, and Fellaini stuck his arm almost straight above his head. The ball hit his arm 3 yards inside the box, and a dead man could have seen it was a penalty. No penalty given.

That match was basically acknowledged as the day we lost the title back to them.

That season, Fergiescum's last, United had ZERO penalties against them, ZERO red cards (Until they played Chelsea, already had the title locked up, and it was in stoppage time when the game was already lost... literally zero affect on the match and the season... actually their last was the 6-1 Derby, so almost two entire seasons), and the joint highest penalties in favor of them. The last 7 league goals for Van Rapist were from ignored offsides. That volley he took from over his shoulder that the media masturbated to for months? Offside. Of course each of his last seven goals stood anyways. Also that season: Chelsea away, Torres wrongly sent off for diving after having a rag defender's studs kicked into his shin. Arsenal away, two Arsenal players sent off to rescue the match for United. Two Liverpool players sent off at Anfield. Foul on Clichy not given at the Etihad, ensuing possession leads to United free kick that won the rags the match.

Switch to European football, in which the refs aren't funded by TV deals largely down to foreign gloryhunters and cockneys... the rags can't even make it past the quarter finals, with their seeded position, without getting a red card. Of course, not having a clue how to defend when down to 10 men (since it hadn't happened in so long) they immediately were dumped out.

If that is just a coincidence for Fergiscum's final season, then it's time to start playing the lottery. You'd have to be a fool to think they just got lucky or were perfectly disciplined. Hell, I recorded 3 two-footed lunges (made Kompany's 3rd round FA cup red card look tame, which it was) that only resulted in one yellow card during the Derby at the swamp that season. But there's no agenda, right?
 
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So yet again we find that Webb is somehow managing to be an even worse ref with video evidence than he was without it. What a fucking tosser.
 
mac said:
Even if we got video tech the problem will still be bent officials who interpret the foul.
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I've always supported video replays on key decisions until Webb at Leicester. Pointless when the person controlling the TV that never lies, lies.
 
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