hughes on dunne

[Mike D]

We're notorious for not being able to beat the 'relegation fodder' as you labelled them though so it's an improvement if you think of it like that.

But hardly gonna win you any trophies.

 

[Anonymous]

Well well well. You believe there's a "them and us" division as well. a good manager doesn't create divisions. He unifies a team even if there are those he deems 'not good enough'. A bad manager neglects to speak to others not in his plans forgetting he may just need them at some point.

See the 'theme'?

Read it as 'anti- Hughes' if you want, but bad management is the same the world over.

Again, not them and us. Those players who Hughes believes in, and those he doesn't believe in...

If you see that as bad management, then Jose Mourinho is a terrible manager. Just check out the things which Glen Johnson had to say about him...

Why did you ignore the point I made about exactly which players you were referring to when you said:

There have been several players that have gone that have told a similar themed story about their treatment, but they must all be bitter as those are that question Hughes' methods.

 

[MCFC-alan88]

We're notorious for not being able to beat the 'relegation fodder' as you labelled them though so it's an improvement if you think of it like that.

But hardly gonna win you any trophies.

It's defeating the teams down there that wins trophies, you don't base your season on results you get against the top four, look at the scum last year. Anything against them is nice, and a bonus. But it doesn't define your season like beating those that are below you.

 

[Anonymous]

Like I said instead of making juvenile remarks like this is boring I hate hughes etc etc come up with something constructive about what MH has achieved ie challenges the point actually being made.

I told you I'd addressed this argument with you before...here it is since you ignored it the first time I posted it...

Point 1 Name me any other premiership club who has brought through more quality 1st team players in the last few years. What does putting the man who is developing the talent on garden leave solve. As we all know Billy building a descent youth team set up is not something that you can throw money at and hope for the best. I have no problems with bringing in people to help Jim but destroyng the whole youth team set up and setting up a new one is gonna take time to re establish itself

Once again, you have TOTALLY ignored what I said. Our academy did well, but was not perfect. Improving it should not be cause for concern. We have not dismantled our academy. We have replaced staff, with other staff. It's that simple. ANY manager of a decent football club, with aspirations of progress on the field, needs to be able to do his work without being undermined. JC's staff spent a lot of last season undermining MH's both on messageboards and in the press. It's no wonder he felt the need for changes to be made.

You have also TOTALLY ignored what I posted earlier regarding WHY changes were made. I'll spell it out. City's hierarchy have looked at Barca and Arsenal's academies and spoken to the people involved. There was something which JC wasn't doing. That was physically and mentally preparing players for the step up. Arsenal and Barca stop focusing on technique at the age of 16 because they believe that from that point on, a player should already have the technique, and the next step is the stamina, physical strength, mental strength, dynamism, etc. City didn't want to make changes for the sake of making changes. They wanted to make changes to improve the quality of the players produced.

SGE achieved more than Hughes has done so far on less resources FACT

Sven has achieved exactly the same as Mark Hughes in one season. Nothing. A few more premiership points is not an achievement. An achievement is winning something.

MH has achieved nothing so far with more resources than any other premiership manager in premiership history and until he does I like every other paying fan have the right to criticise what he does when he isn't evidently getting it right. When you can come back with what MH has achieved whilst at this club then I will gladly shut up and join the rest of the happy clappers in singing Hughes praises.

Achievements take time Mike. You're just criticising for the sake of it. Spending money alone does not guarantee anything. Spurs and Newcastle have spent inordinate amounts of money in the last decade to achieve fuck all. We've spent more in the last 12 months, so lets see if we can achieve something in the coming years. Your argument is indicative of the "I want it and and I want it now" ethos which is beginning to seep its way into our support. Like I said, a lack of objectivity.

 

[Bigga]

Well well well. You believe there's a "them and us" division as well. a good manager doesn't create divisions. He unifies a team even if there are those he deems 'not good enough'. A bad manager neglects to speak to others not in his plans forgetting he may just need them at some point.

See the 'theme'?

Read it as 'anti- Hughes' if you want, but bad management is the same the world over.

Again, not them and us. Those players who Hughes believes in, and those he doesn't believe in...

If you see that as bad management, then Jose Mourinho is a terrible manager. Just check out the things which Glen Johnson had to say about him...

Why did you ignore the point I made about exactly which players you were referring to when you said:

There have been several players that have gone that have told a similar themed story about their treatment, but they must all be bitter as those are that question Hughes' methods.

Hart:'He hasn't spoken to me'. Dunne: 'He never spoke to me'. Petrov:'He doesn't speak to me'. Ela... Well, you get the drift.

Hearsay? Unfounded allegations? No smoke without fire? I dunno, I'm just putting it out there...

 

[barney8]

Sven = relegation form 2nd half ot the season. Enough said.

How many players of his have been successful? Most have dissapeared.

Hughes is responsible for bringing in a team that has won three games so far this season, two away from home. FACT.

These are the facts:

SGE took over team that finished 14th on 42 points, added players for £30 million (?), and then finished 9th on 55 points.

MH took over a team that finished 9th on 55 points, added players for £120 million, and then finished 10th on 50 points.

 

[Anonymous]

Hart:'He hasn't spoken to me'. Dunne: 'He never spoke to me'. Petrov:'He doesn't speak to me'. Ela... Well, you get the drift.

Hearsay? Unfounded allegations? No smoke without fire? I dunno, I'm just putting it out there...

At least put them in context...

Hart said him and Hughes hadn't spoken since he joined Birmingham. Not whist he was at the club...

Dunne never said that about Hughes. If he did, find me the quote as I can't find it and don't recall seeing it.

Petrov...yeah, you got me on that one.

Talk about clutching at straws....Mourinho and Ferguson are just two managers I can think of who are notorious for dropping players without explanation...and effectively isolating them.

 

[Bigga]

Hart:'He hasn't spoken to me'. Dunne: 'He never spoke to me'. Petrov:'He doesn't speak to me'. Ela... Well, you get the drift.

Hearsay? Unfounded allegations? No smoke without fire? I dunno, I'm just putting it out there...

At least put them in context...

Hart said him and Hughes hadn't spoken since he joined Birmingham. Not whist he was at the club...

Dunne never said that about Hughes. If he did, find me the quote as I can't find it and don't recall seeing it.

Petrov...yeah, you got me on that one.

Talk about clutching at straws....Mourinho and Ferguson are just two managers I can think of who are notorious for dropping players without explanation...and effectively isolating them.

Now you take what Mourhino and Baconface do out of context. They give players chances and if they make too many mistakes they leave them out. Explain that with Petrov? Explain that with Hart and not telling him he's valued, underpinning that with the acquisition of Taylor(better than Hart??)! I mean why hasn't he spoken him at Brum? Is he now the enemy?? Explain that with Dunne who had made a terrific start to the season with Touré at his side.

About Dunne, I'm sure it was said they hadn't spoken for 6 months. Maybe I'm wrong... I'm 'clutching at straws' again...

 

[Bluemoon115]

At least put them in context...

Hart said him and Hughes hadn't spoken since he joined Birmingham. Not whist he was at the club...

Dunne never said that about Hughes. If he did, find me the quote as I can't find it and don't recall seeing it.

Petrov...yeah, you got me on that one.

Talk about clutching at straws....Mourinho and Ferguson are just two managers I can think of who are notorious for dropping players without explanation...and effectively isolating them.

Now you take what Mourhino and Baconface do out of context. They give players chances and if they make too many mistakes they leave them out. Explain that with Petrov? Explain that with Hart and not telling him he's valued, underpinning that with the acquisition of Taylor(better than Hart??)! I mean why hasn't he spoken him at Brum? Is he now the enemy?? Explain that with Dunne who had made a terrific start to the season with Touré at his side.

About Dunne, I'm sure it was said they hadn't spoken for 6 months. Maybe I'm wrong... I'm 'clutching at straws' again...

Yeh, you're definatly clutching at straws there, seeing as Hughes has said several times that Hart has gone out to get experience.

 

[Anonymous]

Now you take what Mourhino and Baconface do out of context. They give players chances and if they make too many mistakes they leave them out. Explain that with Petrov? Explain that with Hart and not telling him he's valued, underpinning that with the acquisition of Taylor(better than Hart??)! I mean why hasn't he spoken him at Brum? Is he now the enemy?? Explain that with Dunne who had made a terrific start to the season with Touré at his side.

About Dunne, I'm sure it was said they hadn't spoken for 6 months. Maybe I'm wrong... I'm 'clutching at straws' again...

Yeah, you're clutching at straws.

Taylor was brought in because Hart made it known he wanted a loan move to play first team football.

Dunne was given all last season and didn't perform, hence the decision to bring in Lescott. Consequently Dunne was sold. As for Hughes not speaking to him - you quoted him - and are now saying that you read it on bluemoon. Well you were clutching at straws and you were wrong, although I had an unfair advantage as I know as fact that Dunne never had a problem with Hughes, and vice versa.

EDIT:

Also, its funny that Hughes' man management is supposedly so bad, and yet Richard Dunne, knowing he was going to have to sit on the bench in favour of Lescott, was still desperate to stay at City and play under him, than go and take the chance to play under a "fantastic" man manager like Martin O'Neill and be first choice regularly...