hughes on dunne

[cityslickster]

If a husband and wife split after 9 years, of course there is going to be bitterness by both parties. The truth will lie somewhere in the middle of what Hughes and Dunne have said.quote]

This. Its PR spin from both sides. Don't know what to believe but you know what....it doesn't really matter does it? Let's just move on and get on with the season!

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

It's quite sad to see Dunney now trying to rock the boat at City and join our ever growing army of detractors.

I'll always have fond memories for his brave, battling displays but I'm looking to the future now and I'm excited for the 1st time in my life.

 

[citoeast]

funny how many people on here slagged everone off who said dunne didn't deserve a testimonial

low and behold the manager comes out and states dunne wanted to leave city fact

so all the posters on here who had a real go and slated the club for getting rid of the captain should perhaps post a retraction

First of all you have no Hughes quote, pathetic.

Secondly, from what I read Hughes is a liar, a talented one but a liar, imho. Not a fact just an opinion based on the limited knowledge in the public domain.

Thirdly, Hughes made his desire for Lescott very public, he needed 'to improve the team' was the repeated mantra. All this while Dunne who Lescott was publically known to be a replacement for was playing for and CAPTAINING our team. Public Humiliation by your employer.

Fourthly, when making previous club statements about Dunne, published on the official website, Hughes condemned Dunne through faint praise. Even Stevie Wonder could see this.

Fifth point, The club wanted a 'Change of Culture', and a 'Winning Mentality'. Now let me spell it out for you, this means out with the old guard and in with the new. Its a no brainer, Dunne was the Captain of the old guard, the losers mentality, he had to go but not before his replacement came in.

Sixth point. I had no issue with Dunne going, Lescott is a different style of defender, marginly more than massively better imho.

The real issue is not that Dunne was let go, but the manner of it. Hughes is a liar, it should be obvious to anyone, though I think he is more a white liar as I feel Cook was the real driving force over the way Dunne was treated. Whether or not he got 600k or whatever is irrelevant, he would have got a £6m testimonial next year if he had stayed.

He should have been treated better by a club he was with for 9 years, captained the team, was player of the year for 5 years, 4 in a row. FFS he never even got saying farewell to the fans, that sucks, lacks class and is a warning of how fans may be treated once we are successful and the prawn sandwich brigade roll across town; bye bye Working Class City, the heart and soul of the club (Man U Mk2 for those too thick to work it out).

As for apologising for criticising Hughes and the club, you can whistle dixie.

 

[citoeast]

If a husband and wife split after 9 years, of course there is going to be bitterness by both parties. The truth will lie somewhere in the middle of what Hughes and Dunne have said.quote]

This. Its PR spin from both sides. Don't know what to believe but you know what....it doesn't really matter does it? Let's just move on and get on with the season!

To a point you are right, but it does matter if it is a warning sign of how loyal fans will be treated once success starts rolling in. That said Onwards and Upwards for this season and the future.

 

[the plasterer]

funny how many people on here slagged everone off who said dunne didn't deserve a testimonial

low and behold the manager comes out and states dunne wanted to leave city fact

so all the posters on here who had a real go and slated the club for getting rid of the captain should perhaps post a retraction

First of all you have no Hughes quote, pathetic.

Secondly, from what I read Hughes is a liar, a talented one but a liar, imho. Not a fact just an opinion based on the limited knowledge in the public domain.

Thirdly, Hughes made his desire for Lescott very public, he needed 'to improve the team' was the repeated mantra. All this while Dunne who Lescott was publically known to be a replacement for was playing for and CAPTAINING our team. Public Humiliation by your employer.

Fourthly, when making previous club statements about Dunne, published on the official website, Hughes condemned Dunne through faint praise. Even Stevie Wonder could see this.

Fifth point, The club wanted a 'Change of Culture', and a 'Winning Mentality'. Now let me spell it out for you, this means out with the old guard and in with the new. Its a no brainer, Dunne was the Captain of the old guard, the losers mentality, he had to go but not before his replacement came in.

Sixth point. I had no issue with Dunne going, Lescott is a different style of defender, marginly more than massively better imho.

The real issue is not that Dunne was let go, but the manner of it. Hughes is a liar, it should be obvious to anyone, though I think he is more a white liar as I feel Cook was the real driving force over the way Dunne was treated. Whether or not he got 600k or whatever is irrelevant, he would have got a £6m testimonial next year if he had stayed.

He should have been treated better by a club he was with for 9 years, captained the team, was player of the year for 5 years, 4 in a row. FFS he never even got saying farewell to the fans, that sucks, lacks class and is a warning of how fans may be treated once we are successful and the prawn sandwich brigade roll across town; bye bye Working Class City, the heart and soul of the club (Man U Mk2 for those too thick to work it out).

As for apologising for criticising Hughes and the club, you can whistle dixie.

hughes out brigade i take it?

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

“Richard obviously felt the need to discuss his thoughts on his departure from City,"

How much differenceis there, morally, between telling your side of the story as to how it came about you have left a club and sanctioning stories in the media and whispering campaigns stating that your employees are all ba$tards, not up to your standards and hindering you doing your managerial wonderwork?

One is a straight answer to a straight question, the other is a prolonged serious of leaks, snide quotes suggesting at something, yet never actually having the guts to fully say it and a serious of attempts to plant the seeds in the public's mind that anything that wasn't right last season was nothing to do with you and all to do with people who are professioanlly inferior to you.

but the decision (to leave) was his. He was the only one to sign on the piece of paper to change from being a City player to being a Villa player."

What is this supposed to tell us? Other than clearing up, for some confused souls, that it was actually Richard Dunne who signed his contract with Villa. Many people may have been under the misapprehension that it was in fact signed my Elvis or The Pope.

It was his decision and it was not as if he was forced out of the club.

Expansion? Explanation? Dunne has explaned what he said he was told. If you are going to counter it then at least say his quotes ar lies and say what he was actually told.

I have to say that it is a little bit unfair to highlight Garry Cook and his perceived role in the discussions.

Again, why? Exapand? Explanation?

I have had great support from Garry, and from Khaldoon Al Mubarak as well. We work as a team to make sure the club is strong and competitive in the future.

That's feck all to do with Cook's alleged role in this affair. Unless it's admitting that Cook did act how Dunne said and he should be excused as he was only doing so on Hughes' behalf. Not that I think he is saying that, I just think it is a totally irrelevant sentence in the middle of some diversionary babble.

“Decisions will be made that affect players, but we are trying to make Manchester City a good club and one that is successful in the future.”

And? We all know this? Doesn't address any of the Dunne 'outburst'.



It's all the usual managerial bullshit claptrap.

Managers up and down the country talking absolute shit and trying to avoid answering any sort of probing question whilst still having the cheek to try to put their own spin on everything.

Hughes is full of it (as are a lot of others) and has been throughout his managerial career.

If he dropped the bullshit and taking his audeince for idiots act, and neither he or most of the other managers who do it (ie: 70% of them) are going to stop it, then that, combined with a decent season, would remove most of the reservations I have about him.

Football is full of bullshitters desperately saying nothing whilst attempting to give the impression that it says everything in showing them as 'the man'. The above is a top class example.



(Edit: and just to add, the majority of managers in the league would have probably come out with identical, 'saying nothing' bullshit as the above - so it's defintely not just a Hughes thing)

 

[Anonymous]

I don't think Dunne is the type of guy to 'rock a boat' without some justification ...... i don't recall him slagging Everton off when he left , and he's the type of guy to just get on with things ......... and i don't really remember him bearing any grudges against anyone during his time here , yet at times he's probably had good reason too ..... especially with the likes of Joey Barton etc!

Hughes , on the other hand , said there was no trouble with Elano last season ..... and it looks like there clearly was ....... he also said that just because Lescott had arrived Dunne wasn't necessarily leaving .... yet he has ....... Hughes is the face of a well oiled backroom machine that says little , but obviously knows quite a lot more ..... he faces the press and basically tells them nothing that they didn't already know in the first place ..... everybody can clearly see that he only says what Mr Cook wants him to say.

Hughes is very cagey with his words .... and why would Dunne accuse Cook of trying to sell him behind his back?

Dunne could just be 'bitter' , but he doesn't seem to be the type ....... and what would he stand to gain from it all ?

We highly respect the guy , and that's unlikely to ever change ....... i just see a guy who wants to tell the City fans the true story ...... i've got to say i believe his version of events.

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

Oh, and I like the cut and paste job from the MEN site earlier on this thread that can basically be summed up as saying:

Dunne was not good enough. As captain, a true leader would take players under his charge and make them into winners. A poor workman blames his tools.

Hughes is the man. As manager and leader he cannot be held responsible for players under his charge last season. What could he do? His toolkit wasn't good enough.

 

[Anonymous]

Oh, and I like the cut and paste job from the MEN site earlier on this thread that can basically be summed up as saying:

Dunne was not good enough. As captain, a true leader would take players under his charge and make them into winners. A poor workman blames his tools.

Hughes is the man. As manager and leader he cannot be held responsible for players under his charge last season. What could he do? His toolkit wasn't good enough.

I don't think Dunne is actually complaining about the fact that Hughes wanted to change things 'John' , or that the manager didn't include him in his plans , and Dunne will know only too well his own playing limitations ..........

Dunne is complaining about the WAY it was done , saying that City weren't upfront with him , and arranged things without his knowledge ...... he sees that as scant reward for all his service here ...... and to be honest if that had happened with any one of us , in our everyday jobs , we'd probably feel a bit aggrieved about it too!

Cook obviously has his own way of doing things behind the scenes , sometimes i wonder if Hughes even knows what's going on half the time ........ let alone someone like Richard Dunne.

 

[BackgroundBlue]

I dont have a problem with Hughes careful professional diplomacy - Its wise under the circumstances. I think the problem has been created by cook's crude and disrespectful handling of Dunne.