I am voting Labour next ....talk me out of it.

[The Future’s Blue!]

In the last but one election there was a swing of 7% to labour, but a 2% swing back to cons last time but that was the boris/get brexit done effect i guess , so it could swung back

It only takes one to make a change and if others believe in that one person, they will follow.

Personally, I vote with what I think is best for the country, regardless of colour, and, for that, the Conservative Party isn’t even on the radar. In fact, to me, the Conservative Party are dead, no longer a party that I can recognise.

 

[meltonblue]

It only takes one to make a change and if others believe in that one person, they will follow.

Personally, I vote with what I think is best for the country, regardless of colour, and, for that, the Conservative Party isn’t even on the radar. In fact, to me, the Conservative Party are dead, no longer a party that I can recognise.

I know quite a lot of historic conservative voters that think the same too, I know there’s a long way to go to it yet but the next election really could be brutal for them.

The issue now is given they know it too, just how much damage they’ll do before it…

 

[Bluesince1979]

It only takes one to make a change and if others believe in that one person, they will follow.

Personally, I vote with what I think is best for the country, regardless of colour, and, for that, the Conservative Party isn’t even on the radar. In fact, to me, the Conservative Party are dead, no longer a party that I can recognise.

Im going to vote with my heart. The tory candidate will still get in, because it would have to be a monumental swing. But im going to vote thinking my vote will go towards the national total rather than just local. Itll make me feel better :)

 

[Gingers Dad]

OK,

Since 1971 I have always voted for the Conservative party, a Margaret Thatcher fan (Although she did have her faults), but I am now totally disillusioned with this shower of s

t who go from crisis to crisis,( I do have a certain amount of sympathy with them because they did have covid19 to deal with, which must have been a nightmare)...but now I have had enough.

Liz Truss and that idiotic chancellor was the last straw.

Now I know Starmer is rather bland and doesn't seem to come up with any policies. just criticise the Tories all the time and I used to hate Angela Rayner but I am coming round to thinking she is OK, talks a lot of sense, even though she lets her mouth get carried away a bit, but time for a new broom?

Thoughts?

No policies really?
Obviously you didn't listen to Rachel Reeves speach to the Fabian Society the other day.
After that lying, law breaking, narcissistic 2hat Johnson a bit of bland might be what we need.
Starmer might be the first PM for a while who hasn't got his hand in the till or doesn't tank the economy

 

[remember arthur mann]

Can't see a problem, unless your next statement is turning into a rag.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

This is only an intellectual exercise for me, but if I was seriously trying to talk someone out of voting Labour (which I'm not) I would argue that all we are going to end up with is neoliberalism-lite when it comes to economic policy.

Here is what neoliberalism is:

Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems

Financial meltdown, environmental disaster and even the rise of Donald Trump – neoliberalism has played its part in them all. Why has the left failed to come up with an alternative?

www.theguardian.com

And here is the LSE economist Ha Joon Chang explaining why this may not be a good idea.

Economist Ha-Joon Chang: the Tory mini-budget was like trying to bring back terrible Tex-Mex

In a mouth-watering new book, the South Korean academic fuses his twin passions of food and economics to interrogate capitalism

www.theguardian.com

Just coming to the end of Chang's latest book. Needless to say, it's excellent.

 

[Indaparkside]

A Margaret thatcher fan that says it all

 

[Deleted member 77198]

So, apathy and no real say is your choice. Fair play. Not a dig at you.

It'd be good if everyone who previously didn't vote took a bit of time to back a team and make their votes count. It'd be a fairer representation if voter turnout was higher. UK politics is such a turnoff and compounded further so, year on year. The system won't change without voter input and efforts. Shame.

The largest political party in the country are The Abstainers.

There are people who know that their lives are pretty much the same no matter who’s in power or what’s going on in the country/world so it doesn’t matter to them.

Others think that politicians are substandard and won’t vote for any of them. Many feel that they’ve not seen a worthy PM come through for decades. Especially those who pop up with juvenile name calling aimed at the other side, it doesn’t half put people off that shit. There are people who think that politics is for desperate hate-filled children and they’ll just get on with their lives perfectly well living as an adult in the real world ignoring all that political shit.

Others have no trust in any political party. And who can fault them for having that view? We’ve seen charlatans, ineptness and moving away from traditional core values of parties at every level in every party for decades.

There’s a sizeable proportion of traditional white working class people who feel like there is no political party for them.

Personally, I’ve not voted in as many GEs as I have voted in. A few I was too busy in life to have kept up with what was going on with politics or read any manifestos and I refuse to vote without knowing what I’m voting for, and in others I didn’t agree with enough of any of the manifestos I did read and found that I agreed with bits of everyone’s manifestos and realised that party politics is archaic and doesn’t work because putting one political ideology in power doesn’t work for enough people and alienates too much of the population.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Or to turn the question on its head - do Ministers of this quality persuade you to vote Tory?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

The largest political party in the country are The Abstainers.

There are people who know that their lives are pretty much the same no matter who’s in power or what’s going on in the country/world so it doesn’t matter to them.

Others think that politicians are substandard and won’t vote for any of them. Many feel that they’ve not seen a worthy PM come through for decades. Especially those who pop up with juvenile name calling aimed at the other side, it doesn’t half put people off that shit. There are people who think that politics is for desperate hate-filled children and they’ll just get on with their lives perfectly well living as an adult in the real world ignoring all that political shit.

Others have no trust in any political party. And who can fault them for having that view? We’ve seen charlatans, ineptness and moving away from traditional core values of parties at every level in every party for decades.

There’s a sizeable proportion of traditional white working class people who feel like there is no political party for them.

Personally, I’ve not voted in as many GEs as I have voted in. A few I was too busy in life to have kept up with what was going on with politics or read any manifestos and I refuse to vote without knowing what I’m voting for, and in others I didn’t agree with enough of any of the manifestos I did read and found that I agreed with bits of everyone’s manifestos and realised that party politics is archaic and doesn’t work because putting one political ideology in power doesn’t work for enough people and alienates too much of the population.

It’s generally in your interests to vote Labour, given your social class, occupation and income bracket.

The rest of it is just overthinking.

Most people don't read manifestos and most manifestos are just aspirational shopping lists not fleshed out policies.