I hate this government

[BimboBob]

Feel for you mate, had the same problem working for a Gov Dept. After 33 years getting ripped off, the last 6/7 years with either no pay rise or 1% rise while my pension conts were going up to eat up any pay rise I was lucky enough to get. I managed to get a package.

I'm well out of it.

Forca the Firemen.

Whop de do.

I work for DHL. I haven't had a pay rise in 7 years except for 1% last year. In that time I've lost loads of stuff like free Bupa, paid sick pay reduced, yearly bonus etc etc.

Just because you work for the government it doesn't mean you are the only ones being put under the cosh. Is it worth striking for? Nope, as the outcome is the same. If there's no pot to piss in then there's no pot to piss in.

The pensions and add ons were worked out and given to people when no one gave a thought to the future. Now companies/ governments are bricking it and trying to reign in their costs.

What can you do? Public sympathy for your cause is stretched a bit as they are all in the same boat. Most people I know haven't had a pay rise in years, or at least a decent one.

So you strike.

For fuck all.

All in this together eh?

Have you noticed it's always the ones who haven't got the balls to stand collectively with their fellow workers to try to improve their lot or, in this case, retain what they were originally promised under the terms of their contracts, who are the biggest critics of those who do want to stand up for themselves.

There is a way to improve your lot comrade. It's not striking. It's by working hard and getting the company you work for into profit. Do that and you reap the rewards. What you want to do is carry on as normal AND have the rewards.

I'm not criticising people who want to strike, fair play to them if they think any good will come out of it, it won't, but that's their right.

 

[mackenzie]

Whop de do.

I work for DHL. I haven't had a pay rise in 7 years except for 1% last year. In that time I've lost loads of stuff like free Bupa, paid sick pay reduced, yearly bonus etc etc.

Just because you work for the government it doesn't mean you are the only ones being put under the cosh. Is it worth striking for? Nope, as the outcome is the same. If there's no pot to piss in then there's no pot to piss in.

The pensions and add ons were worked out and given to people when no one gave a thought to the future. Now companies/ governments are bricking it and trying to reign in their costs.

What can you do? Public sympathy for your cause is stretched a bit as they are all in the same boat. Most people I know haven't had a pay rise in years, or at least a decent one.

So you strike.

For fuck all.

All in this together eh?

Have you noticed it's always the ones who haven't got the balls to stand collectively with their fellow workers to try to improve their lot or, in this case, retain what they were originally promised under the terms of their contracts, who are the biggest critics of those who do want to stand up for themselves.

There is a way to improve your lot comrade. It's not striking. It's by working hard and getting the company you work for into profit. Do that and you reap the rewards. What you want to do is carry on as normal AND have the rewards.

I'm not criticising people who want to strike, fair play to them if they think any good will come out of it, it won't, but that's their right.

You think we don't work hard?

 

[BimboBob]

It's a bit bleeding rich though when you have worked in the Public Sector for over 30 years and have accepted the shite salary for that time (25k a year at the moment) on the condition that the pension will be healthy as compensation, If they can now move the goalposts.
Tell you what, let's review that shite salary I had for 33 years and give me some back pay.

My full time warehouse workers don't earn 25k a year. Hell, some of my Managers don't even earn that and they don't get a lovely pension to compensate. They also don't have a Monday - Friday 8-5 job but work shifts, weekends and a lot of them have 1 day off in the week and 1 at the weekend.

Everyone who works in the Public Sector must have a lovely rosey view of life if they think that they get paid less than the private sector.

I'd be having a look at all those lovely council chief executives with their 90k plus pay and their index linked pensions if I were you. (There's 10 of them in Manchester alone). Or the severence packages that are given out to all and sundry.

We have cut costs considerably so that we can compete in the market we are in. We can't cut wages but we can amend packages. The same as in your world.

I'd be having a look at the post above yours if I was you.

I know a bloke who was a self enplyed roofer. Injured at work. Small insurance pay out and had to take a different job to make ends meet as he couldn't be a roofer anymore. He's now working for me. Earning nearly 20k a year.

I also know that if he had a pension sorted his contributions would have stopped the day he stopped working.

Forgive my ignorance...


Is this not the same apart from a few broken promises?


Don't get me wrong, I admire what the firefighters, police, nurses etc et do. I couldn't do their job. Brave men and women. They should be paid a decent wage, and on the most part they are (maybe not nurses) but these pre austerity pensions need to be trimmed somehow.

Breaking promises isn't the way to do it admittedly, but something needs to happen.

 

[BimboBob]

Have you noticed it's always the ones who haven't got the balls to stand collectively with their fellow workers to try to improve their lot or, in this case, retain what they were originally promised under the terms of their contracts, who are the biggest critics of those who do want to stand up for themselves.

There is a way to improve your lot comrade. It's not striking. It's by working hard and getting the company you work for into profit. Do that and you reap the rewards. What you want to do is carry on as normal AND have the rewards.

I'm not criticising people who want to strike, fair play to them if they think any good will come out of it, it won't, but that's their right.

You think we don't work hard?

Never said that mac.

 

[mackenzie]

There is a way to improve your lot comrade. It's not striking. It's by working hard and getting the company you work for into profit. Do that and you reap the rewards. What you want to do is carry on as normal AND have the rewards.

I'm not criticising people who want to strike, fair play to them if they think any good will come out of it, it won't, but that's their right.

You think we don't work hard?

Never said that mac.

You implied it BB, but I'll forgive you. Mainly because it's more subtle than that. The private sector deems successful hard work as making money whilst my job in the Public Sector deems success as making a difference to someone's life. Im not aiming to get all righteous here, just pointing out that the two sectors have very different aims.
And, in our case, difficult to measure or shout about

 

[Blue Maverick]

My full time warehouse workers don't earn 25k a year. Hell, some of my Managers don't even earn that and they don't get a lovely pension to compensate. They also don't have a Monday - Friday 8-5 job but work shifts, weekends and a lot of them have 1 day off in the week and 1 at the weekend.

Everyone who works in the Public Sector must have a lovely rosey view of life if they think that they get paid less than the private sector.

I'd be having a look at all those lovely council chief executives with their 90k plus pay and their index linked pensions if I were you. (There's 10 of them in Manchester alone). Or the severence packages that are given out to all and sundry.

We have cut costs considerably so that we can compete in the market we are in. We can't cut wages but we can amend packages. The same as in your world.

I'd be having a look at the post above yours if I was you.

I know a bloke who was a self enplyed roofer. Injured at work. Small insurance pay out and had to take a different job to make ends meet as he couldn't be a roofer anymore. He's now working for me. Earning nearly 20k a year.

I also know that if he had a pension sorted his contributions would have stopped the day he stopped working.

Forgive my ignorance...


Is this not the same apart from a few broken promises?


Don't get me wrong, I admire what the firefighters, police, nurses etc et do. I couldn't do their job. Brave men and women. They should be paid a decent wage, and on the most part they are (maybe not nurses) but these pre austerity pensions need to be trimmed somehow.

Breaking promises isn't the way to do it admittedly, but something needs to happen.

Sorry about your mate but the difference is that I'm putting my life on the line Id like to think Id be backed up. Apparently the economy is doing well, well I don't see it.

 

[BimboBob]

You think we don't work hard?

Never said that mac.

You implied it BB, but I'll forgive you. Mainly because it's more subtle than that. The private sector deems successful hard work as making money whilst my job in the Public Sector deems success as making a difference to someone's life. Im not aiming to get all righteous here, just pointing out that the two sectors have very different aims.
And, in our case, difficult to measure or shout about

My line of work is delivering direct to a customer's address, this also makes a difference to their lives. It might only be a bath panel, but it makes a difference.

In the modern era, the local Council is a business. It is run like a business and as such has to balance the books. The trouble is they have working practices and conditions that are now out of touch.
My staff have one break. Halfway through their shift. That's it. Another of my sites has a complete smoking ban. Once you are in, you can't smoke....even in the carpark until you leave. We have 100% searches. No mobile phones. Rules for this and that. Always bloody rules.

The perception of the average council job is a bit different. It's an outdated perception granted, but it's still the perception.

 

[BimboBob]

I'd be having a look at the post above yours if I was you.

I know a bloke who was a self enplyed roofer. Injured at work. Small insurance pay out and had to take a different job to make ends meet as he couldn't be a roofer anymore. He's now working for me. Earning nearly 20k a year.

I also know that if he had a pension sorted his contributions would have stopped the day he stopped working.

Forgive my ignorance...


Is this not the same apart from a few broken promises?


Don't get me wrong, I admire what the firefighters, police, nurses etc et do. I couldn't do their job. Brave men and women. They should be paid a decent wage, and on the most part they are (maybe not nurses) but these pre austerity pensions need to be trimmed somehow.

Breaking promises isn't the way to do it admittedly, but something needs to happen.

Sorry about your mate but the difference is that I'm putting my life on the line Id like to think Id be backed up. Apparently the economy is doing well, well I don't see it.

If you don't mind me asking, how much do you contribute every month to your pension and what would the payout be at 60?

 

[remember arthur mann]

Never said that mac.

You implied it BB, but I'll forgive you. Mainly because it's more subtle than that. The private sector deems successful hard work as making money whilst my job in the Public Sector deems success as making a difference to someone's life. Im not aiming to get all righteous here, just pointing out that the two sectors have very different aims.
And, in our case, difficult to measure or shout about

My line of work is delivering direct to a customer's address, this also makes a difference to their lives. It might only be a bath panel, but it makes a difference.

In the modern era, the local Council is a business. It is run like a business and as such has to balance the books. The trouble is they have working practices and conditions that are now out of touch.
My staff have one break. Halfway through their shift. That's it. Another of my sites has a complete smoking ban. Once you are in, you can't smoke....even in the carpark until you leave. We have 100% searches. No mobile phones. Rules for this and that. Always bloody rules.

The perception of the average council job is a bit different. It's an outdated perception granted, but it's still the perception.

So you're a van driver ? You come across as a fascist one !

 

[mackenzie]

Never said that mac.

You implied it BB, but I'll forgive you. Mainly because it's more subtle than that. The private sector deems successful hard work as making money whilst my job in the Public Sector deems success as making a difference to someone's life. Im not aiming to get all righteous here, just pointing out that the two sectors have very different aims.
And, in our case, difficult to measure or shout about

My line of work is delivering direct to a customer's address, this also makes a difference to their lives. It might only be a bath panel, but it makes a difference.

In the modern era, the local Council is a business. It is run like a business and as such has to balance the books. The trouble is they have working practices and conditions that are now out of touch.
My staff have one break. Halfway through their shift. That's it. Another of my sites has a complete smoking ban. Once you are in, you can't smoke....even in the carpark until you leave. We have 100% searches. No mobile phones. Rules for this and that. Always bloody rules.

The perception of the average council job is a bit different. It's an outdated perception granted, but it's still the perception.

I don't work for the Council.