Blue Feather
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Immensely pleased for Manuel and Big Willy
Good post. The point about trust of the players is interesting. I agree, on the whole - for the players to know they can trust you etc, and respect you is clearly key. This element of man management is clearly a strength of his - the players knowing he treats the team in the correct fashion. On the other hand, I wonder, do you think the players would have wanted (at one point) him to play Hart, as they had more trust in him as a player, and thought their chances of a final win would be greater. I don't know.No it doesn't. It doesn't do that at all.
It comes down to the fact that Manuel Pellegrini is the type of winner who forced himself to train and play at a high enough level to have a 20 year professional football career at international level, then took that will and determination into a management career where he went from a player in Chile to the manager of Real Madrid and Man City.
You don't fall into this with a cheeky smile and a firm handshake.
Pellegrini knows more about football than you do, Dribble. That is a 100% unarguable fact. He knows more about man management than you do. That is also a 100% unarguable fact. He is one of the top professionals in his field which is amongst the most competitive fields of employment that the entire human species has. He knows more about this City squad, the players and their reactions than you do. That is a 100% unarguable fact.
He quite rightly thinks that without trust from his players the entire idea of a squad falls apart and you can't tell someone that they should work hard towards a specific goal then take away that specific goal after they've held up their end of the bargain. Exactly like Pep Guardiola does, for the record.
I wanted him to play Hart. I was wrong, because I was thinking in terms of a single game and not how showing the squad that he can't be trusted no matter how much work you put in would affect our future chances in other competitions. If the manager's word is worthless then there's little reason to think that the people who aren't first choice will work hard thinking that they can get their shot. There's also little reason for the first choice players to work hard and keep their place because nobody below them is getting in anyway.
Turns out that Pellegrini is a winner and thinks that the trust of the squad is more important than a single League Cup game to his job.
I fucking hate people who can't hold up their hands when they get things wrong, and inside try to turn it into something else. Your ridiculous vendetta against Pellegrini where even after winning a cup final you have to slag him off marks you as exactly the type of person who could never achieve the things Pellegrini has.
No it doesn't. It doesn't do that at all.
It comes down to the fact that Manuel Pellegrini is the type of winner who forced himself to train and play at a high enough level to have a 20 year professional football career at international level, then took that will and determination into a management career where he went from a player in Chile to the manager of Real Madrid and Man City.
You don't fall into this with a cheeky smile and a firm handshake.
Pellegrini knows more about football than you do, Dribble. That is a 100% unarguable fact. He knows more about man management than you do. That is also a 100% unarguable fact. He is one of the top professionals in his field which is amongst the most competitive fields of employment that the entire human species has. He knows more about this City squad, the players and their reactions than you do. That is a 100% unarguable fact.
He quite rightly thinks that without trust from his players the entire idea of a squad falls apart and you can't tell someone that they should work hard towards a specific goal then take away that specific goal after they've held up their end of the bargain. Exactly like Pep Guardiola does, for the record.
I wanted him to play Hart. I was wrong, because I was thinking in terms of a single game and not how showing the squad that he can't be trusted no matter how much work you put in would affect our future chances in other competitions. If the manager's word is worthless then there's little reason to think that the people who aren't first choice will work hard thinking that they can get their shot. There's also little reason for the first choice players to work hard and keep their place because nobody below them is getting in anyway.
Turns out that Pellegrini is a winner and thinks that the trust of the squad is more important than a single League Cup game to his job.
I fucking hate people who can't hold up their hands when they get things wrong, and inside try to turn it into something else. Your ridiculous vendetta against Pellegrini where even after winning a cup final you have to slag him off marks you as exactly the type of person who could never achieve the things Pellegrini has.
Yes I agree Manuel knows more about the machinations of football than I do, but seeing as you and I have never met how do you form the view that he's a better man manager than I am?No it doesn't. It doesn't do that at all.
It comes down to the fact that Manuel Pellegrini is the type of winner who forced himself to train and play at a high enough level to have a 20 year professional football career at international level, then took that will and determination into a management career where he went from a player in Chile to the manager of Real Madrid and Man City.
You don't fall into this with a cheeky smile and a firm handshake.
Pellegrini knows more about football than you do, Dribble. That is a 100% unarguable fact. He knows more about man management than you do. That is also a 100% unarguable fact. He is one of the top professionals in his field which is amongst the most competitive fields of employment that the entire human species has. He knows more about this City squad, the players and their reactions than you do. That is a 100% unarguable fact.
He quite rightly thinks that without trust from his players the entire idea of a squad falls apart and you can't tell someone that they should work hard towards a specific goal then take away that specific goal after they've held up their end of the bargain. Exactly like Pep Guardiola does, for the record.
I wanted him to play Hart. I was wrong, because I was thinking in terms of a single game and not how showing the squad that he can't be trusted no matter how much work you put in would affect our future chances in other competitions. If the manager's word is worthless then there's little reason to think that the people who aren't first choice will work hard thinking that they can get their shot. There's also little reason for the first choice players to work hard and keep their place because nobody below them is getting in anyway.
Turns out that Pellegrini is a winner and thinks that the trust of the squad is more important than a single League Cup game to his job.
I fucking hate people who can't hold up their hands when they get things wrong, and inside try to turn it into something else. Your ridiculous vendetta against Pellegrini where even after winning a cup final you have to slag him off marks you as exactly the type of person who could never achieve the things Pellegrini has.
No it doesn't. It doesn't do that at all.
It comes down to the fact that Manuel Pellegrini is the type of winner who forced himself to train and play at a high enough level to have a 20 year professional football career at international level, then took that will and determination into a management career where he went from a player in Chile to the manager of Real Madrid and Man City.
You don't fall into this with a cheeky smile and a firm handshake.
Pellegrini knows more about football than you do, Dribble. That is a 100% unarguable fact. He knows more about man management than you do. That is also a 100% unarguable fact. He is one of the top professionals in his field which is amongst the most competitive fields of employment that the entire human species has. He knows more about this City squad, the players and their reactions than you do. That is a 100% unarguable fact.
He quite rightly thinks that without trust from his players the entire idea of a squad falls apart and you can't tell someone that they should work hard towards a specific goal then take away that specific goal after they've held up their end of the bargain. Exactly like Pep Guardiola does, for the record.
I wanted him to play Hart. I was wrong, because I was thinking in terms of a single game and not how showing the squad that he can't be trusted no matter how much work you put in would affect our future chances in other competitions. If the manager's word is worthless then there's little reason to think that the people who aren't first choice will work hard thinking that they can get their shot. There's also little reason for the first choice players to work hard and keep their place because nobody below them is getting in anyway.
Turns out that Pellegrini is a winner and thinks that the trust of the squad is more important than a single League Cup game to his job.
I fucking hate people who can't hold up their hands when they get things wrong, and inside try to turn it into something else. Your ridiculous vendetta against Pellegrini where even after winning a cup final you have to slag him off marks you as exactly the type of person who could never achieve the things Pellegrini has.
I can see how little you care about this Dribble by the 2000 word post you just made on it.
That there are people who don't get this boggles the mind!Be it marriage, business, team sport or any other enterprise involving more than one human being, the biggest ingredient for success is trust. Ruthlessness is fine but it is a managers job to keep people motivated and on board. That involves having to accommodate everybody involved. If for whatever reason that promise is given, then that promise has to be kept. Not only if possible, or maybe, or if the circumstances are right, but at all costs. If not then that is the slippery slope of losing the confidence of everybody that has any dealings with you and you find yourself in the same situation that Mourinho finds himself in every 3 years at every club he goes to. It goes beyond football and to the core of what it means to be a good, decent and honest human being. Given the choice of a Mourinho and a Pellegrini, it'd be Pellegrini every time. I would be willing to bet that Pellegrini, whatever you think of his abilities as a manager, has the full respect of everybody at the club.
He certainly has mine.