"I would rather lose a tournament than break my word to a player"

Dax777 said:
I see you didn't read my post, it is understandable, it was long. But here it is on short:

Pellars statement wasn't just about him, it was about the club! Implied by his ' I'd rather lose the Cup, than go back on my word' was the addition "because it is what's best for the club."

How I came to that conclusion is what's in the response that was to long. I wouldn't bore you with that. You can refer to it if you see fit.
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Well in the spirit of keeping things short and sweet, you're again making a supposition of what Manuel meant by that statement and fluffing it up with a whole host of other things.

I pay my money to see us win and win in style (if possible). So pardon me for being concerned when our manager says he'll sacrifice a win to save one players feelings. And again, if Manuel was so concerned about player's feelings, why didn't he give a second thought for dropping Jovetic from our CL squad? Poor, poor Jovetic hey, he must be feeling like a proper second class Citizen right now.......

Please feel free to explain that one.....
 
Fuck me, some still saying he was wrong? Caballero was buoyed by that trust. Put joe in and we could lose that shootout. Its all about confidence in your ability. We knw willy is great at saving pens. Add to that the confidence that pellers gave him and ladies and gents, we have just won the fucking cup. That is management. I was linded to it till now, and i apologize to manuel, and most importantly big willy!
 
Dribble said:
Well in the spirit of keeping things short and sweet, you're again making a supposition of what Manuel meant by that statement and fluffing it up with a whole host of other things.

I pay my money to see us win and win in style (if possible). So pardon me for being concerned when our manager says he'll sacrifice a win to save one players feelings. And again, if Manuel was so concerned about player's feelings, why didn't he give a second thought for dropping Jovetic from our CL squad? Poor, poor Jovetic hey, he must be feeling like a proper second class Citizen right now.......

Please feel free to explain that one.....
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Fuck off Drivel
 
Dribble said:
Well in the spirit of keeping things short and sweet, you're again making a supposition of what Manuel meant by that statement and fluffing it up with a whole host of other things.

I pay my money to see us win and win in style (if possible). So pardon me for being concerned when our manager says he'll sacrifice a win to save one players feelings. And again, if Manuel was so concerned about player's feelings, why didn't he give a second thought for dropping Jovetic from our CL squad? Poor, poor Jovetic hey, he must be feeling like a proper second class Citizen right now.......

Please feel free to explain that one.....
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EASY read or listen to the full interview he says I trust Willy and his ability I watch him train everyday

Would it not be poor management to make a promise to a player and then go back on that promise ?

How would we ever build a squad the players would not come or trust the manager

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Dribble said:
Well in the spirit of keeping things short and sweet, you're again making a supposition of what Manuel meant by that statement and fluffing it up with a whole host of other things.

I pay my money to see us win and win in style (if possible). So pardon me for being concerned when our manager says he'll sacrifice a win to save one players feelings. And again, if Manuel was so concerned about player's feelings, why didn't he give a second thought for dropping Jovetic from our CL squad? Poor, poor Jovetic hey, he must be feeling like a proper second class Citizen right now.......

Please feel free to explain that one.....
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The club clearly have higher aspirations than the Capital One Cup and FA Cup. In an ideal world we'd win all 4 competitions but I don't think you'll see us or anybody else win all four in a single season, it's nigh on impossible with the amount of games and intensity in England. The club have clearly told the second choice goalkeepers they'll play in those two cup competitions, even before Pellegrini's time because Pantilimon played when Mancini. The reason for that is to attract the best goalkeeper they can as second choice, as you never know when he'll be needed in the Premier League and Champions League. By breaking the promises made we would risk other goalkeepers not wanting to come because they wouldn't trust the club in they got to another final that the first choice wouldn't play in front of him.

Potentially sacrificing a cup win for a better squad in the 2 main competitions is to me and a lot of fans completely understandable.
 
fatbloke said:
The club clearly have higher aspirations than the Capital One Cup and FA Cup. In an ideal world we'd win all 4 competitions but I don't think you'll see us or anybody else win all four in a single season, it's nigh on impossible with the amount of games and intensity in England. The club have clearly told the second choice goalkeepers they'll play in those two cup competitions, even before Pellegrini's time because Pantilimon played when Mancini. The reason for that is to attract the best goalkeeper they can as second choice, as you never know when he'll be needed in the Premier League and Champions League. By breaking the promises made we would risk other goalkeepers not wanting to come because they wouldn't trust the club in they got to another final that the first choice wouldn't play in front of him.

Potentially sacrificing a cup win for a better squad in the 2 main competitions is to me and a lot of fans completely understandable.
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Exactly this the only other way is to have a keeper near the end of his career who could coach or play if we are desperate, someone like Tim Howard or Shay Given and they would be happy on the bench
But it comes down to trust and the managers principles, Willy had to play .
The same could be said about outfield players and attracting back up ,Bony gets slated on here but whoever comes to City is always going to play second fiddle to Sergio.
I realise there is more chance of rotation with outfield players however they all want to play the big games .Football in the modern era is now a squad game.The managers job is to get the best out of the squad and keep everyone happy and motivated .
 
Dribble said:
Well in the spirit of keeping things short and sweet, you're again making a supposition of what Manuel meant by that statement and fluffing it up with a whole host of other things.

I pay my money to see us win and win in style (if possible). So pardon me for being concerned when our manager says he'll sacrifice a win to save one players feelings. And again, if Manuel was so concerned about player's feelings, why didn't he give a second thought for dropping Jovetic from our CL squad? Poor, poor Jovetic hey, he must be feeling like a proper second class Citizen right now.......

Please feel free to explain that one.....
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Whereas I pay my money to see City play. Always have done and always will do. Some things in life are more important than winning.
 
I think everyone in the squad knew WC had been designated domestic cup keeper.
Change that for no good reason, and it undermines trust in anything MP has said to any player.
 
Dribble said:
.... So pardon me for being concerned when our manager says he'll sacrifice a win to save one players feelings. And again, if Manuel was so concerned about player's feelings, why didn't he give a second thought for dropping Jovetic from our CL squad? Poor, poor Jovetic hey, he must be feeling like a proper second class Citizen right now.......

Please feel free to explain that one.....
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He didn't say that though. He said it was about having given his word.

That's without getting into the strawman allegation that he didn't think twice about Jovetic - I mean, really? You can't seriously believe that.
 
It's those big calls that seperate the men from the boys. I said earlier in the week he's in danger of tarnishing his legacy in a lot of supporters eyes and had the final gone the other way with a Caballero error or two they'd be no coming back.
Such are the fine margins in football we've ended up at the other end of the spectrum and Pellegrini and Willy are in cup final folklore and the final will be forever remembered for our goalkeeping heroics.

Football, fuckinell eh?

Personally I'm delighted for both of them. I wanted Hart to start and I was wrong. Not because of the result, who knows what the score would have been, or how it would have panned out otherwise, but because it confirms we've got somebody in charge who has integrity, morals and a trust in his squad that a few of us on here would do well to follow.
All in all a great weekend that could well be the catalyst for a huge 12 weeks.
 
Manuel is a very principled man. Once he made a promise, he will not break it. That goes to the very essence of his value system. Wether he should be making promises like that is an entirely different question. Whatever, it turned out brilliantly, Willie is written into our history as a hero. On a personal basis, you could see what it meant to Willie in the post match interviews and no doubt he will be full of confidence if called on again this season.
 
I'm not a fan of his statement, he is there to win trophies not to keep promises.

The solution isn't to break his promises, but to not make them in the first place.
 
mansour's tow ropes said:
I'm not a fan of his statement, he is there to win trophies not to keep promises.

The solution isn't to break his promises, but to not make them in the first place.
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Broadly, I agree. However, if the decision is made that the no. 2 keeper has to be of a quality enough to step into the first team and/or push the first choice keeper, it is almost certainly going to be necessary to guarantee him some game time regardless so he's sharp enough when needed.

It seems quite accepted now that the no. 2 plays the cups.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Broadly, I agree. However, if the decision is made that the no. 2 keeper has to be of a quality enough to step into the first team and/or push the first choice keeper, it is almost certainly going to be necessary to guarantee him some game time regardless so he's sharp enough when needed.

It seems quite accepted now that the no. 2 plays the cups.
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Which is why I am dead against the 'cup keeper' policy that has crept into football. It isn't rational to me - it infers that all domestic cup games are inferior to all league games which obviously isn't true.

It is too black and white and leads to playing a weakened team in a cup final. I would much rather a more flexible approach, where the backup comes in for a few easier league games over busy periods (like Xmas period etc), and Joe Hart can still play in key cup games and Wembley finals.

I hope we see a new approach under Guardiola.
 
mansour's tow ropes said:
Which is why I am dead against the 'cup keeper' policy that has crept into football. It isn't rational to me - it infers that all domestic cup games are inferior to all league games which obviously isn't true.

It is too black and white and leads to playing a weakened team in a cup final. I would much rather a more flexible approach, where the backup comes in for a few easier league games over busy periods (like Xmas period etc), and Joe Hart can still play in key cup games and Wembley finals.

I hope we see a new approach under Guardiola.
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Well, that's certainly a valid alternative.
 
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