"I would rather lose a tournament than break my word to a player"

Not what we were saying in that other thread about Hart or Willy. He has also come in for a great deal of flak over his tenure at City, I have called him allsorts but what better jesture than to be a true true gentleman and a man of his word makes me feel small. I hope the fans give him a real rousing reception at the dippers on Wednesday and every match till he leaves.
 
I agree with this. Easy to laud MP when we have won but at KO yesterday 99% of us at the game were furious that the best 11 hadn't started.
So what you are saying is that we shouldn't laud him whether he wins or whether he loses. So the man is condemned to being a failure in some peoples eyes whether he wins or loses. The reason probably is that people would prefer someone who jumps up and down on the touchline, courts controversy at every opportunity and generally brings attention to the club for the wrong reasons. The point is that his dignity doesn't appeal to certain people. That says more about them than it does about him.
I think a proportion of that 99% would have been happy for us to lose yesterday just so their perception of Pellegrini could be justified.
The man made a massive call in the teeth of opposition from according to you, 99% of the fanbase. He was right you were wrong. Events have proved it. I think the honourable and right thing to do would be just put your hands up like many have done on here and accept it. It saddens me but doesn't really surprise me to see that people will still push their argument regardless of having been proved conclusively wrong.
I don't think it's too much to ask to give somebody credit when they have so publicly earned it.
 
He's not been vindicated at all with his decision imo. He should never be promising players the opportunity to play in cup finals.

He put his relationship with a player in front of the best interests of the club.

Absolutely disgraceful that he has said he would rather lose.

Fair play to Willy he came up trumps in the end. Manuel may be a nice man but his priority should be Manchester City and not Willy.

Hope this helps.

vindicate
ˈvɪndɪkeɪt/
verb
past tense: vindicated; past participle: vindicated
clear (someone) of blame or suspicion.
"hospital staff were vindicated by the inquest verdict"
synonyms: acquit, clear, absolve, free from blame, declare innocent, exonerate, exculpate, discharge, liberate, free, deliver, redeem;More
informallet off, let off the hook
"he maintained his innocence throughout the trial and has been fully vindicated by the jury"
antonyms: convict, blame, incriminate
show or prove to be right, reasonable, or justified.
"more sober views were vindicated by events"
synonyms: justify, warrant, substantiate, establish, demonstrate, ratify, authenticate, verify, confirm, corroborate, prove, defend, offer grounds for, support, back, evidence, bear out, bear witness to, endorse, give credence to, lend weight to;
rareextenuate
"I felt I had fully vindicated my request"
 
Be it marriage, business, team sport or any other enterprise involving more than one human being, the biggest ingredient for success is trust. Ruthlessness is fine but it is a managers job to keep people motivated and on board. That involves having to accommodate everybody involved. If for whatever reason that promise is given, then that promise has to be kept. Not only if possible, or maybe, or if the circumstances are right, but at all costs. If not then that is the slippery slope of losing the confidence of everybody that has any dealings with you and you find yourself in the same situation that Mourinho finds himself in every 3 years at every club he goes to. It goes beyond football and to the core of what it means to be a good, decent and honest human being. Given the choice of a Mourinho and a Pellegrini, it'd be Pellegrini every time. I would be willing to bet that Pellegrini, whatever you think of his abilities as a manager, has the full respect of everybody at the club.
He certainly has mine.
An experienced manager will always have a plan b or an out. I had no issue with Willy playing because I thought the criticism he faced after the Chelsea match was way over the top. What I do have an issue with is Pellegrini painting himself into a corner by saying his word is more important than us winning a trophy, which could also be translated into 'My all out attacking philosophy is more important than positive results' which has characterised his tenure here.

I tell you what put it to the vote, how many fans would have preferred to lose yesterday just so Pellegrini could keep his word to Willy? I can just see Pellegrini repeating this in his next job interview and the response he'd get from his prospective employers. I'm firmly in the camp of shit happens and we have to think of the greater good, the many not just the one if you so wish.

I also think its wrong to equate making a decision based on the greater good over keeping ones word as a good or bad one. Our goal was to win yesterday, not to put Willy's feelings above that. If I were Willy and was told Hart would play, I'd be fuckin gutted but I also look at it like this. 'I've been here long enough to displace Hart and haven't achieved it in nearly 3 years, its my look out for not being good enough to be trusted to keep goal, never mind being better than Hart which is immaterial. The win is more important than me getting a game.' That is what a professional who's part of a team should think and do imo.

Many years ago I was in a similar situation where someone who I had chosen to lead a project quickly turned out to be a disaster in that role. There was no way I was going to risk everyone's livelihood just so I could stick to my decision come what may just to prove what a great guy I was. I could see it wasn't working and more importantly so could the rest of the team. I replaced that colleague with another, got everything back on track and spent the next few months with the first colleague helping to correct what had gone wrong.

The worst case scenario is if I'd have carried on regardless irrespective of the fact of what I could see unfolding before my eyes which is exactly what Manuel did to us against Bayern at home when he first came here. When Manuel did eventually make the necessary changes it was too little too late, where our company was concerned, I could have been directly responsible for putting us in serious difficulty if we'd messed up this project just the save the feelings of one colleague.

Our company didn't have a trillionaire benefactor who could have financially bailed us out if it all went tits up. This is the real cut throat world many of us face every single day, its not a game of Monopoly.
 
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So what you are saying is that we shouldn't laud him whether he wins or whether he loses. So the man is condemned to being a failure in some peoples eyes whether he wins or loses. The reason probably is that people would prefer someone who jumps up and down on the touchline, courts controversy at every opportunity and generally brings attention to the club for the wrong reasons. The point is that his dignity doesn't appeal to certain people. That says more about them than it does about him.
I think a proportion of that 99% would have been happy for us to lose yesterday just so their perception of Pellegrini could be justified.
The man made a massive call in the teeth of opposition from according to you, 99% of the fanbase. He was right you were wrong. Events have proved it. I think the honourable and right thing to do would be just put your hands up like many have done on here and accept it. It saddens me but doesn't really surprise me to see that people will still push their argument regardless of having been proved conclusively wrong.
I don't think it's too much to ask to give somebody credit when they have so publicly earned it.
I was referring to his quote to be honest pal. That sound bite looks ace after the event but you and I both know what a gamble willy was. And I stand by my belief that nearly every city fan wanted joe to play yesterday. That didn't mean people didn't get behind the team when the whistle went but it's cobblers if people are now claiming they always thought willy was the man for the job and they never doubted his selection.
 
Interesting one isn't it. It sounds absolutely great now, but what if he'd said it if we'd lost?
We didn't, so happy days and he is completely vindicated.
Will miss him, not been his biggest fan but you can't argue with his record and the way he conducts himself. Class act.
 
Perhaps MP rarely gives his word to any player about the future because it is a very dangerous thing to do.
In this instance maybe he did not expect the second team to be finalists and certainly did not expect the Chelsea blunders.

By all means promise reward for results but as Dribble´s post highlights other sectors cannot literally afford the luxury of continually backing a person who does not perform as well as he should.
 
So what you are saying is that we shouldn't laud him whether he wins or whether he loses. So the man is condemned to being a failure in some peoples eyes whether he wins or loses. The reason probably is that people would prefer someone who jumps up and down on the touchline, courts controversy at every opportunity and generally brings attention to the club for the wrong reasons. The point is that his dignity doesn't appeal to certain people. That says more about them than it does about him.
I think a proportion of that 99% would have been happy for us to lose yesterday just so their perception of Pellegrini could be justified.
The man made a massive call in the teeth of opposition from according to you, 99% of the fanbase. He was right you were wrong. Events have proved it. I think the honourable and right thing to do would be just put your hands up like many have done on here and accept it. It saddens me but doesn't really surprise me to see that people will still push their argument regardless of having been proved conclusively wrong.
I don't think it's too much to ask to give somebody credit when they have so publicly earned it.

I would prefer a manager who was good enough to already set us up give Liverpool, & Leicester etc a game in the Premier League rather than just shouting 'charge'.

Well done to him yesterday. Got the tactics right. No gung ho nonsense. Still created chances. Same as in Kiev. Proves how poor he was v Liverpool in the League game. Not done his homework. Nice man. Honourable etc.

Glad he's going. Will sing his name when he says goodbye.
 

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