"I would rather lose a tournament than break my word to a player"

[DJBusinesscake]

Lovely man, has taken our club to an even further level than Mancini did. Hes done a great job and made us play fantastic football. He has paved the way superbly for Pep.
If we guarantee top four/title charge and put in a proud display in the CL quarter final(if we get there..) then Pellers will be a City Legend.

 

[Rolee]

I think he's been pretty poor in most games this season & last tbh bar the penalty saves which I'm not sure Joe would have got, so that worked out perfectly.

BUT, I don't think Liverpool would have scored the equaliser if Hart had been playing.

Impossible to know whether Hart would've prevented the equaliser.

I thought he was decent in both games against Everton, prior to that he did worry me on a few occasions but I thought his form was decent recently.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Impossible to know whether Hart would've prevented the equaliser.

I thought he was decent in both games against Everton, prior to that he did worry me on a few occasions but I thought his form was decent recently.

I wasn't convinced a better keeper wouldn't have kept out some of Everton's goals tbh, but it's all irrelevant for now, as he's put his name down in City history & stood up to be counted when we desperately needed him. So he has aquired 'legend' status imo.

If Pep keeps him then it's very likely he will play in the cups next season, so that may give him an extra boost.

 

[Dax777]

It's a policy which is unlikely to change under Pep, but if it we go into a cup final with our 2nd keeper & he costs us the game due to being in a shit run of form, imo the manager will have fucked up.

It should be a situation which is subject to the player in question performing up to the required standard, not a 'promise' that he plays irrespective. Joe Hart was dropped from the Prem team when he hit a bad spell. The 'cup keeper' should have the same rule applied.

Personally, I would treat both domestic cup competitions as an opportunity to bring through one or two kids, but we have put out our strongest available teams for the most part, when we can, in each one, risking fitness in other competitions, which makes this idea of then always picking the reserve keeper because he's on a 'promise' a bit hypocritical.

I think Pep will do the same on the whole though, but possibly use more kids in the earlier rounds.

But that goes without saying. It is. Just like the major competitions are for the starter so long as he is performing.

The reality here is that Willy was performing: Thus, there was no ready to drop him. The wish by fans that he'd be dropped, really stems from a belief that Joe is better and this gives us a better chance of winning.
As far as performance goes, Willy was performing. And prior to the Chelsea game ( a game people keep forgetting we gave up before s ball was ever kicked) he had been performing, and probably continued to perform in practice.

The promise is always conditioned on performance. Always. It's just fans who can't see past their incomplete view of the issue.

 

[Neville Kneville]

But that goes without saying. It is. Just like the major competitions are for the starter so long as he is performing.

The reality here is that Willy was performing: Thus, there was no ready to drop him. The wish by fans that he'd be dropped, really stems from a belief that Joe is better and this gives us a better chance of winning.
As far as performance goes, Willy was performing. And prior to the Chelsea game ( a game people keep forgetting we gave up before s ball was ever kicked) he had been performing, and probably continued to perform in practice.

The promise is always conditioned on performance. Always. It's just fans who can't see past their incomplete view of the issue.

Well I disagree with your definition of 'performing' & I don't agree with the senior players throwing away the FA Cup just because some kids were played, but as I said in the other post above, he stood up when we needed him & has thus aquired legend status.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

When will you understand I'm not arsed about him giving his word, I'm just bothered about the I'd rather LOSE bit.

Question: If asked in private, do you think our owner would agree with Manuel's I'd rather LOSE part of his statement?

You started to LOSE it a while ago mate. We won, Manuel kept his word and Willy turned out to to be our hero in the penalty shot out.

Pellegrini has earned the right to use hyperbole. He could have said "I'd rather burn down an orphanage than bow to the demands of a handful of members of a forum"; do you think our owners would have agreed with that? Who gives a shit? No orphanage got burnt down AND he still managed to not let anyone tell him how to do his job.

Unlike the example above, Manuel kept it classy (as is his MO) and his statement does nothing other than send out the message that when we win we do it in a dignified manner that shows loyalty and character.

Good PR, good result, good job.

 

[Dribble]

With them looking at the bigger picture and long term. yes I think they would agree.

Fine that's your opinion. Khaldoon's face last summer said something completely different to me, but I suppose that's what opinions are for.

 

[Dribble]

Can you not see how absurd your second paragraph is? And how absurd the leap you've made from Manuel's comment to the conclusion you've come to is?

Can't you see how absurd your line of comment is either. This is a one issue thing for me and has nothing to do with whether Willy played or not or whether promises were. My one and only point is, "I would rather LOSE a tournament than break my word to a player"

Now we have posters claiming Manuel speaks for our club with that statement. I'd say judging by Khaldoon's interview last summer that the opposite is true.

Question: If you owned a company and had a CEO in place to make crucial decisions and he said to you that he'd promised a member of staff that he could lead a lucrative project for an important client because he trusted that that person could deliver. If you asked for assurances from your CEO and he said 'I've promised him now and I'd rather us LOSE the contract than go back on my word if it isn't working out', what would you do?

There's a difference between putting your faith in someone and saying you'd rather LOSE the tournament/contract than go back on your word to allow them to lead it come what may. That is the reality many businesses face everyday and I can't think of one business owner who I know who would risk his company's future just so they don't break a promise to an employee.

You're not living in the real world mate.

 

[Rolee]

Can't you see how absurd your line of comment is either. This is a one issue thing for me and has nothing to do with whether Willy played or not or whether promises were. My one and only point is, "I would rather LOSE a tournament than break my word to a player"

Now we have posters claiming Manuel speaks for our club with that statement. I'd say judging by Khaldoon's interview last summer that the opposite is true.

Question: If you owned a company and had a CEO in place to make crucial decisions and he said to you that he'd promised a member of staff that he could lead a lucrative project for an important client because he trusted that that person could deliver. If you asked for assurances from your CEO and he said 'I've promised him now and I'd rather us LOSE the contract than go back on my word if it isn't working out', what would you do?

There's a difference between putting your faith in someone and saying you'd rather LOSE the tournament/contract than go back on your word to allow them to lead it come what may. That is the reality many businesses face everyday and I can't think of one business owner who I know who would risk his company's future just so they don't break a promise to an employee.

You're not living in the real world mate.

Your analogy is ridiculous.

Come back to the real world.

 

[blueinsa]

Lovely man, has taken our club to an even further level than Mancini did. Hes done a great job and made us play fantastic football. He has paved the way superbly for Pep.
If we guarantee top four/title charge and put in a proud display in the CL quarter final(if we get there..) then Pellers will be a City Legend.

Spot on.