If Hughes stays...

[Anonymous]

i think it is being rather naive to think that he won't get sacked if we slip into the bottom 3 with a defeat on sunday.

of course if we win and move towards mid-table then all well and good, i am sure that changing managers mid-season is not what the owners want to do - they would much rather give him until end of seasn and make a judgement then.

Do you not see what you're saying. 3 points from midtable...yet we're in crisis mode and there's talk of a manager being sacked. I guess you say "naivety" I say "pragmatism".

the owner will not take kindly to dropping into the bottom 3 and as such whatever spin is blabbed out by cook will not matter if the unthinkable defeat happens.

i am well aware that managers of Mourinho's ilk would be much more attainable in a summer period however imo Sunday is a must win.

Two things...one, I don't think we'll lose. Secondly, if we did, I don't think there's any chance whatsoever of Hughes being sacked.

 

[Anonymous]

Glad to see BillyShears is spreading the good word with others (aka Moomba and MikeD). I was begining to take it personally (not).

Billy, can you not comprehend that in this world there will always be people who will have views that are contrary to yours, no problem there.

But rather than attacking other peoples views, why do you not just make your case that will support your views?

To date apart form being the brightest prospect in British football and pointing out that Mark Hughes took Blackburn to three semi finals (I think) and the fact he won Manager of the month in October 2007, there has been very little, if any substance behind the pro-Hughes arguement.

The things I dont like about Hughes have been well document and I won't repeat them.

Though being brightest prospect at the age of 46/47 or whatever he is says something in itself.

I am more than happy to exchange banter on here, safe in the knowledge that it will not change the any decisions being made at the club, nor for that matter change the minds of people who have views that differ to mine. The latter will happen, one way or another through the results on the field.

Have a good tour..... you in a Boy Band or summat?

The things people rate about Hughes have been well documented and you totally ignore or dismiss them. So, I won't repeat them again as I realize they will fall on deaf ears.

Anyway, your credibility as a supporter, never mind as a poster on this board, has been shot to pieces in my eyes. "I hope we lose on Sunday." "You've got to be cruel to be kind." Shameful and pathetic in my opinion.

The shear weight of negativity on this board is driving posters away in their droves.

Oh, and yeah...I'm in a boy band. See you on the other side...

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

He's not going so all our opinions are pretty pointless.

However, I believe that he is a lucky boy because, in my opinion, the primary driving forces behind him not going are

a) The Arabs desire not to be seen as reactionary despots who go back on their word and don't understand football.

and b) The fact that he is going to soon have the biggest amount of money ever made available to a football manger in history and it is pretty obvious that even a blind mouse could led the club partially in the direction it needs to be going with that sort of cash.


Personally though I m past the point of having any sympathy with him and feel that if he were at any club who were operating under normal circumstances he would be on the verge of going.

It takes a very poor, underachieving performance for a manager to be dismissed early in his tenure. However, it happens, look at Ince yesterday.

Unfortnately for us, Hughes has no defence when it is put to him that he has actually produced that massively underachieving performance in his time here. There is very little, if anything, to recommend him that is not in the past or from before his time here. The results hve been shocking, the performances have been poor on the whole, the style of play gets progressively worse and the rumours of dressing room unrest (along with the odd bit of public info - Elano etc) are plausible (although not definite).

AS I said, everyone should always be constantly reevaluated. After a month it would take virtully gross misconduct to deem a manager not right, after 3 months, something outrageous in terms of performance, but after six months managers have been regularly dismissed if they were a long way below reasonable expectations. That's where Hughes is at the moment. On, and possibly off, the pitch. Huge underachivement, given the current squad.

The fact that he is not in danger of losing his job is not down to his performance. It's down to other factors and for that he should be very grateful as any club not subject to a) and b) mentioned above would certainly be considering the position of a manager that has fallen so far below expectations and produced displays which seem to support the rumours of a fractured camp and poor player relations.

 

[Cheltblue]

Billy, i like some of the points you raise on Bluemoon, but on this subject i find your argument incredulous.

I accept that Scorer is the extreme in the 'Hughes out' camp, but there are plenty of others who are just as extreme in the 'Hughes In' camp. You are happy to read and agree with the 'Hughes in' brigade, even the ones who think Hughes should be in if we end up getting relagated even after we bring in some quality players in Jan (i dont mean you personally there but there are plenty who are that extreme).

So why should they have more credence on here than those who for their own personal beliefs want Hughes out. Scorer has lost no credibility as a supporter because he feels so strongly about Hughes getting the boot or any other belief he holds that in his mind would make the club more successful, something that every poster on here is dreaming of, regardless of opinion.

This is the one place we can all air our views and its only right that if you have an opposing opinion to others, that you be allowed to state that opinion on here. Thats what makes this the best City forum on the net.

As for me, i have def moved a few steps into the Hughes out camp over the last 2 weeks, Sunday i was in an evil mood after the Everton sh*te. But i have also decided to step back a little and give Hughes the next 3 games to convince me that he should be here for the rest of the season. So while i dont think he should be given the Arab millions to spend if he cant show us before then that he can motivate the players that are already here and those he signs, i am going to get right behind him and the team cus i would love nothing more than City to be in the mixer and in a position to fight for the European Cup places before January.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Yet more bullshit from Mr Man City himself. Because we think the manager is clueless, classless and tactically stupis has no resemblence towards the feeling of our club. Hughes is crap...you thought so yourself before the Arsenal game so get off your high horse.

 

[BobKowalski]

If we lose at The Hawthorns on Sunday Hughes is going to be under a lot of pressure, but I don't see the point in sacking him for the sake of it if we've got no realistic replacement lined up. Our history of continually sacking managers has hardly proved successful in the past after all. If things don't improve in the second half of the season then review his position in the summer, and see who's available then.

Waiting for the summer to assess the clubs position and staff - management and players - is a logical and pragmatic approach to the situation and one I think most of us can agree on irrespective of whether you are in the pro or anti Hughes camp. It is also a view I would expect you to endorse Billy given you were a strong and vocal supporter of Frank's 'end of season review' last year.

ADUG's approach of backing the current manager with half the season gone is sensible as anything less than this will destablise an already rocky ship and only make things worse. Giving Hughes funds to ensure our PL status is also pragmatic. I have given up with all the 'ooh where do you think we will finish this year? Top 6 or top 8?' as finishing in the Premier League full stop will do me right now.

The only wild card is the reaction if we do slip into the bottom 3 for any length of time as this may push ADUG into a precipitous move which long term may not be in our best interests. Fortunately I see us winning well at WBA and winning either of the next two games after that (sacking Ince has complicated that a little bit) so we should get into Jan outside the bottom 3 and with a player boost we can make progress up the table.

What I would like for Christmas is for Cook to shut up. I have liked ADUG's approach of not saying much and I cannot stand Cook's contradictory ramblings laced with corporate speak which the media then have endless fun with and leave us none the bleeding wiser. I am fairly confident that ADUG will have a surpise or two for us in Jan and I am content to wait so if Mr Cook can cease saying in the same sentence that 'Eastlands will be a magnet for the best talent but we will not be held for ransom' because its bollocks. Right now if you do want the best talent then you will have to pay a premium, just as Chelsea did, and I for one don't really care if we do. ADUG have the money and we all know they will pay what it takes to get the best players who in the summer, I hope and trust, will be coached by the best manager in the business namely Jose Mourinho.

In the meantime lets hope the second half of this season is a lot better that the first half!

 

[Anonymous]

Yet more bullshit from Mr Man City himself. Because we think the manager is clueless, classless and tactically stupis has no resemblence towards the feeling of our club. Hughes is crap...you thought so yourself before the Arsenal game so get off your high horse.

Mr Man City...that's a new one. Glad you could join us Jay.

I think Hughes is doing a fucking piss poor job right now. So I don't have to climb down off any high horse.

I don't however see how that correlates to him not being given time to fix the mess he's in.

I agree with most of what BK and JMA have written...

It's funny that the tactically inept, clueless, classless, stupid, Mark Hughes managed to get the better of Saint Sven last season, and also in the last few years consistently finished well above City in the league with fewer resources...oh, and he managed to get his no mark, assembled on a shoe string team, to qualify for Europe through their league position.

 

[scorer]

It's funny that the tactically inept, clueless, classless, stupid, Mark Hughes managed to get the better of Saint Sven last season, and also in the last few years consistently finished well above City in the league with fewer resources...oh, and he managed to get his no mark, assembled on a shoe string team, to qualify for Europe through their league position.

All through bullying and aggression and the most hideous brand of football we have had to watch (err I mean suffer)...

That said, the muppets at UEFA must have forgotten to put the Blackburn ball into the draw this year..... Oh sorry, they didn't qualify did they.. never mind.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

It's funny that the tactically inept, clueless, classless, stupid, Mark Hughes managed to get the better of Saint Sven last season, and also in the last few years consistently finished well above City in the league with fewer resources...oh, and he managed to get his no mark, assembled on a shoe string team, to qualify for Europe through their league position.

All through bullying and aggression and the most hideous brand of football we have had to watch (err I mean suffer)...

That said, the muppets at UEFA must have forgotten to put the Blackburn ball into the draw this year..... Oh sorry, they didn't qualify did they.. never mind.

We only qualified cos we had a team of fairies, blackburn finished a few places above us

 

[scorer]

We only qualified cos we had a team of fairies, blackburn finished a few places above us

If bu being faries you mean we played the game properly and within the laws I guess you're right.

I'd take absolutely zero pride in finishing bottom of the fair play league for one season, never mind for four years running, all of which Mr Hughes was in charge.. It does begin to tell a story does it not?