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he's a different player than David playing a more defensive position. Foden or Mahrez stepping up for minutes is the far better option.Pep's doing his usual exaggeration but hypothetically, if we won the CL with that Rodri-Gundogan midfield pairing then he'd be up there as one of our best transfers.
A player who would start for every other club in the league, for £20m, who played every game of that vital 14 game winning streak to beat Liverpool and was one of our best players doing it...he's been a great purchase.
Also he's 28, so the same age Yaya was when he arrived. Still a long way to go in his City story. When Silva leaves, he might start a lot more games.
OB1
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My MotM last night, just ahead of Rodders.
Pep might be bigging him up a bit because he realises that he gets too much stick from City supporters.
Supporters at most cubs quite often think they know better than the manager; when Pep is your manager, you really don't know better than him. That's not to say Pep is perfect and never gets anything wrong but when he consistently trusts a player over an extended period, he will have good reason to do so.
Pep might be bigging him up a bit because he realises that he gets too much stick from City supporters.
Supporters at most cubs quite often think they know better than the manager; when Pep is your manager, you really don't know better than him. That's not to say Pep is perfect and never gets anything wrong but when he consistently trusts a player over an extended period, he will have good reason to do so.
Pep wumming Bluemoon. Un accepted able!!! Pep out!PEP @IlkayGuendogan, you cannot believe how good he is. He is an exceptional player. He plays different positions and his work ethic. I missed him a lot in first year when he was out for six months. He's one of best signings in this Club's history.
Hmmm
Neville Kneville
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You’ve somewhat summed up the way I see Gundogan. Lovely player on his day but can be equally frustrating; mind numbingly frustrating. I also think that his game has been somewhat influenced by the injuries he’s had in the past which now affects how he operates with the ball.
Don’t think we ever got to see Dortmund Gundy at City. Nonetheless, I’ll support him till he stops playing for the club.
I'm glad he re signed, because finding players just to actually play, at all, in City's midfield, is not easy, nor cheap.
I thought he suited the game last night very well, for example.
But Pep is now saying he's one of the best signings ever for City, which is true, if you don't count most of the comparitively better ones we have signed over the ages or most of the current squad.
But the point he makes about him fitting in different positions is a valid one. Although I would like to see Bernardo Silva given a similar job, when Mahrez plays & then compare.
Neville Kneville
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See what happens when you play goal threats and the point I’m making @mosssideblue :-)
Took Phil about 67 seconds.
This is absolutely a vailid point.
Not just re Gundogan either. We moved the ball around brilliantly last night, but for the most part there was absolutely no point.
It will be a mistake, to go down that road imo. We had, Sané, Sterling, Jesus as the evolution of City. Pace at both fullbacks etc. Foden, as you say, offers a goal threat, KDB firing in killer passes, etc.
Medium pace or slow footballers, many of whom don't finish much, all flicking the ball to each other & going from one side to the other is not going to be enough & I hope we get back to the way we were going previously when everyone is fit & sign players accordingly.
In my opinion Gundogan is a polished accomplished footballer who is actually more suited to the team than Foden. Pep Guardiola is the best manager on the planet at the moment and if thinks Gundogan is a decent player who he trusts then who I’m I to argue, but hmmm what do I know
Depends on how we are set up. If it's to break down defences sat deep with the play in front he is. But if it's to catch teams on the counter hes woeful. Slows the play down chronically and is absolutely awful in the tackle. My nan puts more oomph into it. He just doesnt do it for me though, and I find myself wishing for the player who battered barca.
Depends on how we are set up. If it's to break down defences sat deep with the play in front he is. But if it's to catch teams on the counter hes woeful. Slows the play down chronically and is absolutely awful in the tackle. My nan puts more oomph into it. He just doesnt do it for me though, and I find myself wishing for the player who battered barca.
When do we set up to play on the counter?
This is absolutely a vailid point.
Not just re Gundogan either. We moved the ball around brilliantly last night, but for the most part there was absolutely no point.
It will be a mistake, to go down that road imo. We had, Sané, Sterling, Jesus as the evolution of City. Pace at both fullbacks etc. Foden, as you say, offers a goal threat, KDB firing in killer passes, etc.
Medium pace or slow footballers, many of whom don't finish much, all flicking the ball to each other & going from one side to the other is not going to be enough & I hope we get back to the way we were going previously when everyone is fit & sign players accordingly.
Last night's result had a lot to do with poor finishing, especially from our best finisher, and a lot less to do with flicking the ball to each other. The latter would be a valid point if we didn't create many chances. Which we did. On another day it would've been 3:0 at half time.
ADegenerate
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Last night's result had a lot to do with poor finishing, especially from our best finisher, and a lot less to do with flicking the ball to each other. The latter would be a valid point if we didn't create many chances. Which we did. On another day it would've been 3:0 at half time.
The argument is more about the totality rather than one individual game. Nev’s point and the point I was making still stands. Personally, I’m asking for killers and finishers in each attacking position. Gundogan has his value and Phil scoring was just happenstance and out of sheer luck happened to bring home the point I was making perfectly.
If you’re playing Gundogan as a free 8 you’ll be hard pressed to ever convince me that’s the right position for him. If he’s playing in a hybrid 8/dual pivot with Rodri getting forward and Gundogan providing cover then I can be sold on that.
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