Irish Current Affairs.

I wasn't saying send in the troops but yes, absolutely id use the SAS and similar units covertly where needed to eliminate threats to ordinary citizens lives and safety.

As for a future ref on the question of the border/membership of the EU then someone will have to decide and who better than the people of NI? Would you sooner Westminster decided for you as that also isn't going to work.

Essentially I am saying its for the people of NI to decide if they want to continue being within and under EU rules for trade which treats the whole of Ireland as one.

My point was if the vote was to do that then its almost a defacto vote for reunification or at least a marker as to the feeling towards it.

Whats clear is the issue of the border isn't one that is going to stop the UK leaving the EU so solutions no matter how imperfect are going to have to be found and agreed upon and treating the whole of Ireland as one for trade seems about right because its no different to what you have now and its what you all seemingly want?

That said im not from or living there and i hope the above doesnt come across as disrespectful because it isn't meant to be.

i know you arent being disrespectful...genuinely.

I dont know the answer to the question...but if NI vote to remain in the EU but also vote to remain as part of the UK (the most likely scenario) what happens then?

This is mostly in response to your comment of we wont let terrorism influence what we do. My comment is that terrorism is coming (back)...regardless. That isnt supporting, defending, condoning....thats stating fact
 
I am going to back out of this for the day as i dont want to cause upset or come across as disrespectful.
I don't find your view disrespectful.
I'd rather have your engagement on a solution, knowing your background and viewpoint on terrorism, than willful ignorance and apathy.
 
i know you arent being disrespectful...genuinely.

I dont know the answer to the question...but if NI vote to remain in the EU but also vote to remain as part of the UK (the most likely scenario) what happens then?

This is mostly in response to your comment of we wont let terrorism influence what we do. My comment is that terrorism is coming (back)...regardless. That isnt supporting, defending, condoning....thats stating fact

In the first instance id say for trade nothing changes and the whole of Ireland is treated as one, like it is now and how it will be if this deal is agreed.

On terrorism as per the article you put up, cross border security and the people of Ireland rejecting it will be needed and a zero tolerance from security services shown to the few that think they can commit terrorist acts, regardless of what side they proclaim to be on.
 
In the first instance id say for trade nothing changes and the whole of Ireland is treated as one, like it is now and how it will be if this deal is agreed.

On terrorism as per the article you put up, cross border security and the people of Ireland rejecting it will be needed and a zero tolerance from security services shown to the few that think they can commit terrorist acts, regardless of what side they proclaim to be on.

I think most of the UK/GB see Brexit as a political and economic decision...which it is. However the Irish "issue" is cultural, religious as well.

The vast majority of people in Ireland, as a whole, will unequivocally renounce violence and terrorism, but that doesnt stop it happening.
 
The vast majority of people in Ireland, as a whole, will unequivocally renounce violence and terrorism, but that doesnt stop it happening.

Agree but its why i feel a democratic vote shouldn't ignored because of the feelings of a few that dont give a fuck about the EU or you and I and just their own, criminal selves.

Deal with them for what they are.
 
In the first instance id say for trade nothing changes and the whole of Ireland is treated as one, like it is now and how it will be if this deal is agreed.

On terrorism as per the article you put up, cross border security and the people of Ireland rejecting it will be needed and a zero tolerance from security services shown to the few that think they can commit terrorist acts, regardless of what side they proclaim to be on.

I never ever really thought I would see a United Ireland in my lifetime. Not that I saw it as being kept from us, just that when we voted down here to change our constitution and sign up to the GFA, any future settlement in my mind would have to be along the lines of dual citizenship. When talking of the Irish side having to compromise in a Brexit deal, I just feel that the full extent of the compromises from both communities in the North and the South are just not fully appreciated by those demanding it.

I didn't see a border poll arising, maybe never in the rest of my lifetime, or certainly not until the current generation of (rightly or wrongly) embittered politicians are gone.
A couple of generations of non sectarian living, I figured and then maybe approach it. But regardless of the outcome, I saw the unionist community of still having the self-determination guaranteed within the GFA. Some sort of dual citizenship would need to be accommodated. There would need to be a mechanism to opt back into the UK if later generations chose to. That to me keeps NI as a separate country which was palatable for moderate Unionism to sign up to.

I could be wrong but a Brexit referendum in the North on EU alignment seems in contradiction to this.
It's not an insurmountable obstacle. It could be addressed with the will to do it, I'm sure. But given the nature of how the GFA was meticulously put together can you not see that the time frame for realistic engagement on the subject is sadly lacking.

The unfortunate truth also is that there were many at the time who believed and stated that the UK government's word is worth nothing.
Rightly or wrongly whatever outcome is enforced upon NI will be seen by elements including those who were persuaded to compromise as a vindication of that viewpoint.
 
i know you arent being disrespectful...genuinely.

I dont know the answer to the question...but if NI vote to remain in the EU but also vote to remain as part of the UK (the most likely scenario) what happens then?

This is mostly in response to your comment of we wont let terrorism influence what we do. My comment is that terrorism is coming (back)...regardless. That isnt supporting, defending, condoning....thats stating fact
Makes grim reading that Alex. Correct me if I'm wrong but what you're suggesting is even if common sense prevails and the GFA becomes the ultimate red line in many ways it's too late and the genie is out of the bottle?
 
Makes grim reading that Alex. Correct me if I'm wrong but what you're suggesting is even if common sense prevails and the GFA becomes the ultimate red line in many ways it's too late and the genie is out of the bottle?
It was never fully in the bottle....all this is more reason for it to increase....a (poor) excuse.

Linking to the brexit thread, its all well and good to say "we wont be held to terrorists"...but wilfully and scornfully trashing the Irish economy wont help. :-|
 


Very much so!

Wonderful .
Until they want a mosque on every street corner.
Let's see how well recieved they are then ?
And before you start , I'm a realist not a racist.
The woman I'm seeing lives in Ireland.
I live here.it suits us both to see each other for a week every 3 months.
Her town is being flooded with Africans and Asians.
Her son can't get a place but they do.
They are both really pissed off.
 

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