Is fascism back with us?

[Octavian]

Cool. The imbalance is interesting I think, especially regarding care for elders and strength of workforces, as you say. However, I think the potential affect on just the Western world is not at all interesting or unique, since China, South Korea and India, to name a few large countries, are experiencing population decline.

And as an answer to the title of the thread.... i don't think fascism has ever really left

Yeah it’s not just the west, Japan has had a problem for a while as another example.

No political ideology will ever leave, whilst there are people someone will think it. It’s never been so far away from gaining traction as now tho.

 

[blue_paul]

It’s worse in the west than other areas of the globe. I don’t think it’s a pressing issue right now but to have concerns over low birth rate in the west isn’t fascism. It will be a problem eventually.

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Judging by that map, it’s only really Africa and is that Iran and Bangladesh with high birth rates outside the continent?
Big question for humanity is will we see Africa become richer and able to sustain her population which given the resources on the continent, hopefully that’s the case.
On the other hand, declining birth rates and ageing population elsewhere will require immigration from these countries to sustain its workforce and pay for pensions etc.

 

[Octavian]

Judging by that map, it’s only really Africa and is that Iran and Bangladesh with high birth rates outside the continent?
Big question for humanity is will we see Africa become richer and able to sustain her population which given the resources on the continent, hopefully that’s the case.
On the other hand, declining birth rates and ageing population elsewhere will require immigration from these countries to sustain its workforce and pay for pensions etc.

Anything green is growing too. Obviously continent wise Africa is way out in front.

Your last point is the what the likes of Orban are worried about. If you have a declining population and just keep importing people from other parts of the world, they’re naturally going to live like they have always done and soon enough your culture is a minority one.

There will be a scheme in the next few decades with money incentives to have children.

 

[lazerblue]

All very observable is states that call themselves Communist, but then North Korea calls itself Democratic. They are authoritarian states, not Communist states, don't buy the Cold War propaganda stuff. A Communist society by definition is stateless, classless and governed directly by the people, it is the ultimate in democracy. All class distinctions are eliminated. A society in which everyone is both the owners of the means of production and their own employees. The concept of property is negated and replaced with the concept of commons and ownership with "usership". The means of production are held in common, negating the concept of ownership in capital goods. Production is organized to provide for human needs directly without any use for money. Communism is predicated upon a condition of material abundance and all members of the state are considered equal to one another.

Happy New Year pal, i haven't been around since before Xmas, life and all that.

has this actually ever worked, anywhere

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

has this actually ever worked, anywhere

Curiously - and astonishing to me - the average Chinese citizen seems to be very much in favor of their Communist, totalitarian regime. Not - of course the residents of Hong Kong - or brutally suppressed populations such as the Uyghurs - but the average citizen. This observation is based largely on a PBS Frontline episode exploring the corona virus as experienced by the Chinese and a few scant articles following this Frontline episode...

And perhaps the speakers in the Frontline episode were too scared to speak out against the Chinese government on live camera - but they seemed genuine.

China has a largely functional society and it seems to enjoy majority popularity.
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Just to be clear, I'm pro-Democracy. There's no way on earth I'd want to live under Chinese rule.

The above post - as already stated - simply reflects my astonishment that the average Chinese citizen seems to prefer Communism/Totalitarianism over Democracy.
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Edit - The Chinese economy has numerous semi-capitalistic elements; i's more than air to claim that it's not purely Communist.

 

[lazerblue]

Curiously - and astonishing to me - the average Chinese citizen seems to be very much in favor of their Communist, totalitarian regime. Not - of course the residents of Hong Kong - or brutally suppressed populations such as the Uyghurs - but the average citizen. This observation is based largely on a PBS Frontline episode exploring the corona virus as experienced by the Chinese and a few scant articles following this Frontline episode...

And perhaps the speakers in the Frontline episode were too scared to speak out against the Chinese government on live camera - but they seemed genuine.

China has a largely functional society and it seems to enjoy majority popularity.
===
Just to be clear, I'm pro-Democracy. There's no way on earth I'd want to live under Chinese rule.

The above post - as already stated - simply reflects my astonishment that the average Chinese citizen seems to prefer Communism/Totalitarianism over Democracy.
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Edit - The Chinese economy has numerous semi-capitalistic elements; i's more than air to claim that it's not purely Communist.

Not quite the utopia rascal describes

 

[Kippaxpete]

Curiously - and astonishing to me - the average Chinese citizen seems to be very much in favor of their Communist, totalitarian regime. Not - of course the residents of Hong Kong - or brutally suppressed populations such as the Uyghurs - but the average citizen. This observation is based largely on a PBS Frontline episode exploring the corona virus as experienced by the Chinese and a few scant articles following this Frontline episode...

And perhaps the speakers in the Frontline episode were too scared to speak out against the Chinese government on live camera - but they seemed genuine.

China has a largely functional society and it seems to enjoy majority popularity.
===
Just to be clear, I'm pro-Democracy. There's no way on earth I'd want to live under Chinese rule.

The above post - as already stated - simply reflects my astonishment that the average Chinese citizen seems to prefer Communism/Totalitarianism over Democracy.
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Edit - The Chinese economy has numerous semi-capitalistic elements; i's more than air to claim that it's not purely Communist.

In no way can the Chinese system of government now be called communism. In fact, the Chinese themselves refer to it as 'socialism with Chinese characteristics', essentially a euphemism for what is, for all intents and purposes, a free market economy operating within a one-party, totalitarianism system.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

In no way can the Chinese system of government now be called communism. In fact, the Chinese themselves refer to it as 'socialism with Chinese characteristics', essentially a euphemism for what is, for all intents and purposes, a free market economy operating within a one-party, totalitarianism system.

It's hardly a free market - I'd say it's a mix of Communism/competition with rife government intervention and almost certain corruption.

 

[Kippaxpete]

It's hardly a free market - I'd say it's a mix of Communism/competition with rife government intervention and almost certain corruption.

I should reword my comment to say that the Chinese system bear's little relation to communism in its true form and that its economy now operates on largely free market principles. It's all relative of course given that even the American system - generally held up as an exemplar of a true free market economy - is beset by masses of regulations and controls. Otherwise, I'm not sure that corruption is unique to any particular system.

 

[Rascal]

has this actually ever worked, anywhere

Its never been tried because the owners of Capital and their media lackeys, the Pro free market, libertarian nutjobs, the entrenched establishment would never allow it.

That is why Communism can only be achieved by revolution. It has to smash the capitalist system. a system that has given us slavery, greed, poverty, inequality and war.

Can you argue against this salient point

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"