Is it time to unmask the muslim woman?

rickmcfc said:
Far to many people have had a go at me on here for issues not realated to the topic. So i will state again. Why do women insist on wearing the burka, when it is not a part of there religion, they dont have to wear it, so why?

Stick to the topic and answer my question directly.
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No doubt some do insist and some don't. Those that do probably do so because it's part of their culture/tradition. Not a very good reason imo but then it's their life, not mine. Some Muslims would probably prefer not to wear it. It doesn't mean it should be made illegal tho. It means that Islam needs to go through a period of its own enlightenment, just as we did when Christianity was on our backs.

It's not correct to dismiss the religious aspect of it entirely. It's their religion that tells them to treat women a certain way.
 
rickmcfc said:
Far to many people have had a go at me on here for issues not realated to the topic. So i will state again. Why do women insist on wearing the burka, when it is not a part of there religion, they dont have to wear it, so why?

Stick to the topic and answer my question directly.
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There is a large debate in the Muslim world (and has been for many centuries) about whether or not it does form part of their religion. Here are the passages, determine for yourself:

"O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments (jilbabs) close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle."

Another verse in the Quran is translated as: "And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful"
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So, now you know. In some schools of Islamic law such as the Hanbali, it is a sin to NOT wear a burqa. It depends really, Islam as a religion covers much more than Christianity does as far as legal advice is concerned (well, sort of, some Muslims just tend to pay attention to theirs whilst Christians tend to put societal norms in front of religious requirement). The argument stems on the difference between wajib and fardh. IIRC, wajib is a requirement whereas fardh can be worked around under certain circumstances. Depending on who you ask, the burqa falls under one of them (and some even say that wajib and fardh mean the same thing and are both a religious requirement)

Anyway, the issue is really incredibly simple. Yes, banks ask you to remove bike helmets and supermarkets ask you to put your hood down. However, that has nothing at all to do with the burkha issue. These are all private property and thus can make whatever dress code that they feel necessary to. Public property should have zero laws about what you can and cannot wear, as unlike private property, we cannot choose whether or not we abide by these laws (whereas we can choose to go to a different shopping centre)

Thanks to the last government, people seem to believe that having a covered face is somehow a detriment to safety. I cannot seem to express into words how sad this makes me. Because somebody else cannot be seen by the Big Brother CCTV cameras means that they are automatically up to something, is one of the saddest concepts I think I've ever heard. It's Orwellian society at its worst.
 
Just get all the western lasses to walk around Riyadh in their bikinis. Even it up a little,after all, its' their choice and has nothing to do with religion so surely they won't mind?
 
without a dream said:
Sometimes this board makes me a bit depressed, do people really think that it's right to decide what people can and can't wear.
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Its not really about that IMHO, its just not socially acceptable in this country to walk around with your face covered up. A group of lads wearing balaclavas couldn't walk around a shopping centre or get on a bus so why should it be ok for a muslim woman to do the same?

Then again if they banned the burka a lot of muslim women would be prisoners in their own home so I'm not sure what the answer is.
 
1_barry_conlon said:
Just get all the western lasses to walk around Riyadh in their bikinis. Even it up a little,after all, its' their choice and has nothing to do with religion so surely they won't mind?
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Well said mate. Exactly the same scenario. But out of RESPECT for their culture, I would insist that my fiancée did nit do this as the local people would look upon this as wrong, unsociable and rude. Just like British people think about the burka.<br /><br />-- Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:39 am --<br /><br />Damocles - I'm not saying your wrong, nor am I saying your right. But I have heard several interviews with Muslim people on tv stating that the burka, is 100% nothing to to with religion. I'm not sure where you have that paragraph from, but surely a devoted Muslim would know right? Also it comes down to a simple question. Is he burka a security issue in this country? And the answer is, yes possibly. There could literally be anyone under there the head gear and for the safety of Britain we have the right to know. Whilst a person wearing a motorcycle helmet has to take it off when entering a public place for the main reasons of safety and to not alarm the public, why do some, and I state some I think that they should had a different rule? Different rules will create a divide in the community, do you think that is a good thing? I certain don't and this could possibly lead to the horrible scenes that we saw in the riots of mainly Oldham, Rochdale, Burnley and Bolton.
 
They should be banned end of story. The fact someone is wearing something that hides most of their face is unacceptable. It is threatening and if I dealt with people wearing them I would refuse to deal with them.

It's all very well having freedom to wear what you want but them do it in your own home or place of worship.

The french are spot on with their rulings.
 
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