Is it time to unmask the muslim woman?

[ono]

No.

This thread is depressing.

 

[MCFC BOB]

Working in a shopping centre i realise alot of centre's have a strict policy on "hoodies" and anyone wearing it with the hood up is asked to take it down.

Now explain the difference between me wearing a hoodie in a shopping centre and a woman wearing a Burkha. By asking me to take my hood down, is that not being stereotypical and classing me as one of the yobs who wear hoods?

What will it take for a ban to the Burkha? Muslim women mugging people in the street? I'm sorry but they should be gone. This isn't a muslim state and they should be made to realise this.

This happened to me yesterday.

 

[Bill]

its incredible they are still allowed to wear them, it could be anyone under there.

we are so soft in the country it defies belief.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

cases of men wearing the veil, so yeah, it should be banned, it's not taking away freedom, it's protecting the people. Beards aren't relevant, bike helmets are removed and sunglasses the same, muslim women refuse to remove their veil in public, that's the issue.

More cases of men wearing bike helments when committing crime, so errrrr yeah, bike helments should be banned. Beards are relevant to your original argument, so are helmets and sunglasses. Someone can also refuse to take helmets or sunglasses off in public - and they retain that right unless there's grounds of wrong doing. Unless this is the case you have no right whatsoever to demand anything from people in public. In a bank, in a club, in a taxi, at an airport or your home - sure.

The complete fuckwittery by some on here when it comes to the understanding of and respect for freedom is depressing.

bike helmets are there for safety, beards aren't as you can still see the hair, nose, mouth and facial features and shape, sunglasses cover eyes, funnily enough the only bit of a face the veil allows.

As to scotty, that's just a childish generalisation on height and women don't often have the choice because of the society they were brought up in where as a child they were forced to hide away from men and be ashamed of revealing their face to them. I've heard plenty of first hand stories about it.

 

[kronkonite]

it's such a red herring to claim intimidation

i presume he feels safe when a bunch of loud mouthed un burka'd drunks board?

for the record

I don't agree with the burka,but hate the right wing vendetta against it almost as much

stop turning it into political "right-wing/left-wing" bull, I judge each issue on an individual basis independent of other things.

Now for your question, at least you know what you're dealing with when a bunch of unmasked drunks are causing trouble, you don't with someone who is wearing a veil.

there is a right wing vendetta against the veil so i'll represent it as such

elanjo would I guess say live and let live on this issue

we're all agreed that drunks are scarier than burka wearing females

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

stop turning it into political "right-wing/left-wing" bull, I judge each issue on an individual basis independent of other things.

Now for your question, at least you know what you're dealing with when a bunch of unmasked drunks are causing trouble, you don't with someone who is wearing a veil.

there is a right wing vendetta against the veil so i'll represent it as such

elanjo would I guess say live and let live on this issue

we're all agreed that drunks are scarier than burka wearing females

so then the left is therefore supporting the opression of women due to religion and the facilitation of terrorism and double standards in our police and legal standards.

 

[persvenality cult]

Working in a shopping centre i realise alot of centre's have a strict policy on "hoodies" and anyone wearing it with the hood up is asked to take it down.

Now explain the difference between me wearing a hoodie in a shopping centre and a woman wearing a Burkha. By asking me to take my hood down, is that not being stereotypical and classing me as one of the yobs who wear hoods?

a shopping centre is private property. they can discriminate on grounds of dress, however they see fit. they don't have to explain it to you. they know kids use hoodies to hide their identity whilst shoplifting. I presume if people were using burkhas in the same way they'd ask for them to be removed also. it might cause a fuss but they'd be within their rights.

What will it take for a ban to the Burkha? Muslim women mugging people in the street?

that'd be a start. what do you actually have?

I'm sorry but they should be gone. This isn't a muslim state and they should be made to realise this.

I'm pretty sure they do know it isn't a muslim state, from all the mini-skirts. it's a democratic state where we don't tell people what to wear.

I know they make people uncomfortable, but that's not enough in itself, they won't ban something just to stop you from being paranoid. there's no evidence people use them for terrorism, no evidence they use them for any crime at all.

I don't think we're being soft. I think being soft would be making up laws without proper reason.

 

[ElanJo]

How someone can justify the burka is beyond me. It creates diversity and a communtity devided. How can you have a conversation with someone if you cant see their face? its just plain rude if im being honest. if im talking to someone and i have sunglasses on, then i will take them off so they can see my full face, its just polite. When i go skiing if im talking to someone, i will take my goggles and hat off, for the same reason, its respectfull. Worst of all, wearing the burka is not even part of their religion, so why do they do it?

Agreed, but I don't think anyone would seriously consider making poor manners illegal.

 

[masterwig]

The freedom argument is an interesting one. Because religion by its very nature restricts freedom of choice. I wonder how many women who wear the burka are doing it through genuine considered choice and how many wear it because of cultural pressure or the belief it is right which has been brainwashed into them from birth.

 

[rickmcfc]

I know they make people uncomfortable, but that's not enough in itself, they won't ban something just to stop you from being paranoid. there's no evidence people use them for terrorism, no evidence they use them for any crime at all.

Really? how about this then

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6097521/Burka-robbers-hunted-by-police.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... olice.html</a>


<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/woman-admits-hiding-terror-files-in-burka-1813632.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 13632.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/world/courier-robbed-by-man-in-burka-14794009.html?r=RSS#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/break ... tml?r=RSS#</a>