Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the club

[FanchesterCity]

City fans are no more fickle than any others.

Visit any other club board after a seriously disappointing result and you'll see calls for change, often the manager, and sometimes the board.

Arsenal - Wenger's had his time
Liverpool - Rodgers is in over his head
United - Fergie's tactics have cost us in Europe (last year)
Chelsea - New kit this season, new manager this season.
Spurs - Harry was God (but didn't win anything), AVB's clueless

We are hardly alone in being frustrated after a fairly dire performance. There WILL be blips as we try and progress as a club. So far, so good, but it's not always going to be win win win.

What sets apart great clubs from others is there ability to bounce back. To accept defeat, and come back stronger.

I have every faith in City, the manager and the team. The progress is clear for all to see.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

So we bring in Benitez then? The man who spent a fortune at Liverpool and couldn't win the league, who publicly cracked up with a valid but ill-timed rant against Fergie? So based on their records we'd sacrifice our chance of winning the league for a chance of winning the Champions League, in the process probably paying out over £40million to sack Mancini and his entire backroom staff. That, assuming Benitez is capable of repeating his one-time Champions League win after accomplishing very little in management since and flopping at Inter.

Mancini is a better manager for City than Benitez, why aren't the offers rolling in for Rafa if he can win the Champions League? I mean his job options this summer were Sampdoria, Sampdoria, and... Sampdoria. There is only one guaranteed upgrade over Mancini and even he can't guarantee the Champions League, he's so far failed to deliver it with a much more expensive squad than we have. No amount of money or great players can guarantee you ANYTHING in that competition.

God I can't wait till tomorrow and hopefully a win that will send the Mancini haters back into their caves until our next defeat. Some of our fans are worse than the parasites in the media for smelling blood as soon as there is the hint of a problem. I'm not surprised by the attitude of the JCL fans towards Mancini but some of our older fans surprise me a bit with their fickleness.

I have weighed it all up and I just think Benitez is the man for the job, you may mock him and point out that he is unemployed but that is as much due to himself as interested clubs, he is holding out for a good club in Spain or England which is a shortlist of Real, Barca, City, not the scum for obvious reasons, Chelsea, Spurs, Arse and at a push Liverpool, though partly out of sentimentality. There are numerous reasons why those clubs did n't make a change in the summer but I am sure he would make the shortlist, other than spurs who wanted somebody who would fit Levy's board style better and Barca none of them were in the market for a coach.

Because no matter what anybody says he is still a top level manager, he has an exemplary record in Europe and was closer than any other manager to winning the league with liverpool, we won on goal difference, he was four points behind in the end. Benitez, with the right structure and support, not what some of you are calling for i.e. unequivocal backing in signing 3 or 4 world class players every summer but enough support he would do well, he had the makings of something great at Inter when they teared through spurs, but the situation and board structure was n't right; they have proved this by sacking multiple managers since.

 

[forevermancity]

a good thread, a good read ruined by hollier than thou fans slating fellow city fans for daring to point the finger at the manager

As I said, there is nothing wrong with questioning tactics, signings, players. But there is something wrong with the kneejerk "Sack Mancini!" people who are more common than you are implying.

Look at this ridiculous post for example, especially the end of his post, and from a source you'd never expect it from.

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its not exactly rediculous.

Mancini has yet to convince many blues, hardly rocket science.

Yes he has won us the league, cup and charity shield, but considering the resources that should be a given.

His tactics are questionable

His plan B is to throw strikers on

His man mangement is very questionable

We have been outclassed in europe
All of the above are starting to weigh as much as his triumphs.

The jury is still out for me, and if fans 100% believe in him, fair enough, im not going to mock you, but please spare us the bullshit about how dare we question him<br /><br />-- Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:10 pm --<br /><br />

City fans are no more fickle than any others.

Visit any other club board after a seriously disappointing result and you'll see calls for change, often the manager, and sometimes the board.

Arsenal - Wenger's had his time
Liverpool - Rodgers is in over his head
United - Fergie's tactics have cost us in Europe (last year)
Chelsea - New kit this season, new manager this season.
Spurs - Harry was God (but didn't win anything), AVB's clueless

We are hardly alone in being frustrated after a fairly dire performance. There WILL be blips as we try and progress as a club. So far, so good, but it's not always going to be win win win.

What sets apart great clubs from others is there ability to bounce back. To accept defeat, and come back stronger.

I have every faith in City, the manager and the team. The progress is clear for all to see.

we seem to have regressed in 12 months in terms of playing style and squad personel

 

[MyJeckyllDoesntHyde]

I want him out. Mainly because he's got a track record of failure in Europe including now 2 woeful attempts with us. Forget Utd...Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool have fared much better in the CL even when not in contention to win the league, heck Chelsea won the thing despite finishing outside the top 4. That's just not good enough.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Rafa has a fairly impressive record, all things considered.
So does Mancini.

Rafa though, has done pretty well in Europe, no denying it, but that doesn't make him some managerial messiah. He is certainly not above 'politics', or of losing his cool on camera either. Any manager with serious credentials will have 'issues' too...

Guardiola? one amazing team at a very famous club. Was it all down to him? who knows for sure. Impressive, but no indication of repeatability.

Mourinho? Impressive with Porto, seems to be a good motivator and instills belief in teams, but since Porto he's moved to pretty fine teams and added the final polish / spirit only. It could be argued he's all in for 2 years then the magic starts wearing thin.

We have a decent manager. We CANNOT spend indefinitely, no matter what anybody believes, the funds aren't unlimited, and FFP isn't to be ignored.
We simply don't make the amount of money United, Arsenal or Liverpool do, let alone Chelsea (who've had a good 10 years start on us, without restriction).

We're doing well, we've come a long way, but we have a long way to go yet.

 

[FanchesterCity]

a good thread, a good read ruined by hollier than thou fans slating fellow city fans for daring to point the finger at the manager

As I said, there is nothing wrong with questioning tactics, signings, players. But there is something wrong with the kneejerk "Sack Mancini!" people who are more common than you are implying.

Look at this ridiculous post for example, especially the end of his post, and from a source you'd never expect it from.

<a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=270147&p=6132626" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=270147&p=6132626</a>

its not exactly rediculous.

Mancini has yet to convince many blues, hardly rocket science.

Yes he has won us the league, cup and charity shield, but considering the resources that should be a given.

His tactics are questionable

His plan B is to throw strikers on

His man mangement is very questionable

We have been outclassed in europe
All of the above are starting to weigh as much as his triumphs.

The jury is still out for me, and if fans 100% believe in him, fair enough, im not going to mock you, but please spare us the bullshit about how dare we question him

-- Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:10 pm --

City fans are no more fickle than any others.

Visit any other club board after a seriously disappointing result and you'll see calls for change, often the manager, and sometimes the board.

Arsenal - Wenger's had his time
Liverpool - Rodgers is in over his head
United - Fergie's tactics have cost us in Europe (last year)
Chelsea - New kit this season, new manager this season.
Spurs - Harry was God (but didn't win anything), AVB's clueless

We are hardly alone in being frustrated after a fairly dire performance. There WILL be blips as we try and progress as a club. So far, so good, but it's not always going to be win win win.

What sets apart great clubs from others is there ability to bounce back. To accept defeat, and come back stronger.

I have every faith in City, the manager and the team. The progress is clear for all to see.

we seem to have regressed in 12 months in terms of playing style and squad personel

A don't recall a single fan saying we'd regressed when we won the league.

You MIGHT argue we've regressed over the summer.

I would counter that with 'sometimes, you have to take a step back to move two steps forwards' - which I'll stand by, Fergie's done it countless times selling top players and bringing in younger ones.

I'd agree we don't look as good at the moment as we did last season, but it's still early days, and other teams have strengthened considerably. More progress on their part than regression on ours.

Lets not kid ourselves, we DO have financial restrictions. We aren't earning what the other clubs earn. There's no escaping it. It'll take years to catch up with them, and that's only with sustained top 4 presence.

We've not been shown up in the CL, we've simply had it illustrated to us how tough it is, and that nothing less than 100% will do in the CL, it's ruthlessly uncompromising.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

I want him out. Mainly because he's got a track record of failure in Europe including now 2 woeful attempts with us. Forget Utd...Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool have fared much better in the CL even when not in contention to win the league, heck Chelsea won the thing despite finishing outside the top 4. That's just not good enough.

Exactly, even winning the league does n't take away the doubt because domestic form is not the issue, unless he sorts it out in Europe we can never progress, the fact that Grant and Di Matteo did what they did at Chelsea says it all really. I just feel Benitez could give us the step up without major alteration in terms of playing staff and financial cost, he is the man for the job for me, as I have said before his exemplary record in Europe and everything about him sells it for me, we may not dominate domestically but we may have a chance in Europe.

 

[glen quagmire]

I want him out. Mainly because he's got a track record of failure in Europe including now 2 woeful attempts with us. Forget Utd...Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool have fared much better in the CL even when not in contention to win the league, heck Chelsea won the thing despite finishing outside the top 4. That's just not good enough.

Exactly, even winning the league does n't take away the doubt because domestic form is not the issue, unless he sorts it out in Europe we can never progress, the fact that Grant and Di Matteo did what they did at Chelsea says it all really. I just feel Benitez could give us the step up without major alteration in terms of playing staff and financial cost, he is the man for the job for me, as I have said before his exemplary record in Europe and everything about him sells it for me, we may not dominate domestically but we may have a chance in Europe.

You two should be a double act!

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[forevermancity]

As I said, there is nothing wrong with questioning tactics, signings, players. But there is something wrong with the kneejerk "Sack Mancini!" people who are more common than you are implying.

Look at this ridiculous post for example, especially the end of his post, and from a source you'd never expect it from.

<a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=270147&p=6132626" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=270147&p=6132626</a>

its not exactly rediculous.

Mancini has yet to convince many blues, hardly rocket science.

Yes he has won us the league, cup and charity shield, but considering the resources that should be a given.

His tactics are questionable

His plan B is to throw strikers on

His man mangement is very questionable

We have been outclassed in europe
All of the above are starting to weigh as much as his triumphs.

The jury is still out for me, and if fans 100% believe in him, fair enough, im not going to mock you, but please spare us the bullshit about how dare we question him

-- Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:10 pm --

City fans are no more fickle than any others.

Visit any other club board after a seriously disappointing result and you'll see calls for change, often the manager, and sometimes the board.

Arsenal - Wenger's had his time
Liverpool - Rodgers is in over his head
United - Fergie's tactics have cost us in Europe (last year)
Chelsea - New kit this season, new manager this season.
Spurs - Harry was God (but didn't win anything), AVB's clueless

We are hardly alone in being frustrated after a fairly dire performance. There WILL be blips as we try and progress as a club. So far, so good, but it's not always going to be win win win.

What sets apart great clubs from others is there ability to bounce back. To accept defeat, and come back stronger.

I have every faith in City, the manager and the team. The progress is clear for all to see.

we seem to have regressed in 12 months in terms of playing style and squad personel

A don't recall a single fan saying we'd regressed when we won the league.

You MIGHT argue we've regressed over the summer.

I would counter that with 'sometimes, you have to take a step back to move two steps forwards' - which I'll stand by, Fergie's done it countless times selling top players and bringing in younger ones.

I'd agree we don't look as good at the moment as we did last season, but it's still early days, and other teams have strengthened considerably. More progress on their part than regression on ours.

Lets not kid ourselves, we DO have financial restrictions. We aren't earning what the other clubs earn. There's no escaping it. It'll take years to catch up with them, and that's only with sustained top 4 presence.

We've not been shown up in the CL, we've simply had it illustrated to us how tough it is, and that nothing less than 100% will do in the CL, it's ruthlessly uncompromising.

This time last season we looked a hell of a lot better than we do now.

 

[johnny crossan]

a good thread, a good read ruined by hollier than thou fans slating fellow city fans for daring to point the finger at the manager

As I said, there is nothing wrong with questioning tactics, signings, players. But there is something wrong with the kneejerk "Sack Mancini!" people who are more common than you are implying.

Look at this ridiculous post for example, especially the end of his post, and from a source you'd never expect it from.

<a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=270147&p=6132626" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=270147&p=6132626</a>

come come, the Cabalistas are feeling the old stirrings in their vitals - It'll pass I'm sure!