Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the club

[Blue Heaven]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Maybe if RM had got his top summer transfer targets then we would be sitting pretty in the CL ? Perhaps he realised the current squad wasn't good enough and this year's signings haven't improved us (when any of them are fit to play that is).

It was the Marwood, in the Conservatory, with the Wrench...!!

 

[Marvin]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Alex Ferguson became a manager in 1974. Alex Ferguson first won the European Cup (CL) in 1999. United spent a LOT of money in Ferguson's tenure (1986-), more than any other English club in his early days.

Arsene Wenger became a manager in 1984, Wenger first won the European Cup (CL) in... uh... he hasn't yet. Arsenal had possibly the best domestic team ever assembled and Wenger couldn't do it.

Roberto Mancini became a manager in 2001, Mancini hasn't won the Champions League (European Cup) yet... but is 11 years into his coaching career.

Only Mourinho can really guarantee you European success within x years and he is struggling to deliver it at the world's biggest club with the world's most expensive team, so nothing is certain.

Good post.

However I don't think it's coincidence that Mancini flopped in the Champions League at Inter and at City (so far). That's too big a time frame to put it down to bad luck and these teams were and are hugely resourced teams. With the players at his disposal at both clubs he should be doing a lot better.

 

[Dethred]

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Mancini and Citys performances in europe have been poor , but to talk about sacking him after 2 CL campaigns , is fuckin ridiculous ....... imo

Under most circumstances, sure. But this isn't a man that has shown he's capable of winning in Europe. It has been stated that the goal of the owner (the one that can pull out with a phone call and send us to the conference or worse within a few seasons) is getting into Europe and competing on a level that is a justification for the massive expenditures

The gut reaction is to say "out" although I'm not saying that specifically, but I'm just looking at this from a practical standpoint. We have owners with the highest expectations in the world of Sports. This is not what they're paying Mancini for. It would be different if our 1 point came against Real, Barca, and Munich. You have commentators the likes of the weasel Gary Neville that are calling out where the goals are going to come from minutes before hand, yet Mancini isn't making the adjustments? When you can clearly look to the Manager and ask why he made a decision that can be directly linked with a goal, you have to start wondering why that manager is being paid!

I have a feeling that every single one of you that are rubbishing the negative comments about Mancini would be delighted if he was sacked for Guardiola or Mourinho either in January or the summer.

How many managers have been sacked for less? I personally wouldn't look back if Mancini was sacked for Mourinho or Guardiola...

Mourinho was able to win it essentially with the squad that Mancini failed miserably with. Guardiola was able to do it twice in three years. Mancini has made the managers of Ajax, Dortmund, Napoli, and Munich look like tactical geniuses by comparison. Its becoming abundantly clear that Mancini is not able to achieve success in Europe (again, winning the tournament isn't the requirement).

 

[fy6blue]

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i wouldn't be in his skin.

He cant even be arsed about watching the match.

 

[andyhinch]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Just sack him big joe was ten times the manager

 

[scotty123]

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After what can only be described as an humiliating night in champions league football for the club. The question I am now asking which I guessing is in back of a lot of peoples minds is this it for Macini? Is this as far as he can take us?

I think we all know why he was shown the door at Inter, and this competition has been his archilles heal? Personally I have been questioning where we go from here or a few weeks, and perhaps the coincidence that we have brought in an ex Barca honcho might be a clue for who we are looking at if the trigger is pulled.

But even if Mancini can bring us another premier league trophy this season is that gonna be enough, personally I don't think so. Right now barring a miracle of biblical proportions we are out of the champions league and that just is not good enough.

Call yourself a city fan, man up you tosser, i know lets go back to Pearce

 

[dref619]

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He got it wrong tonight, he really did. And his comments after the game tonight have really pissed me off . The one about its his fault because he told JL not to jump is just fucking ridiculous in the extreme.
But get rid of the man ? Fuck no, should build a statue of the sod tomorrow if you ask me
Forza Mancini

 

[mcfc-mark]

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Can we hope for a first clean sheet against Swansea?

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19768745" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19768745</a>

Here's hoping

 

[LoveCity]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Alex Ferguson became a manager in 1974. Alex Ferguson first won the European Cup (CL) in 1999. United spent a LOT of money in Ferguson's tenure (1986-), more than any other English club in his early days.

Arsene Wenger became a manager in 1984, Wenger first won the European Cup (CL) in... uh... he hasn't yet. Arsenal had possibly the best domestic team ever assembled and Wenger couldn't do it.

Roberto Mancini became a manager in 2001, Mancini hasn't won the Champions League (European Cup) yet... but is 11 years into his coaching career.

Only Mourinho can really guarantee you European success within x years and he is struggling to deliver it at the world's biggest club with the world's most expensive team, so nothing is certain.

Good post.

However I don't think it's coincidence that Mancini flopped in the Champions League at Inter and at City (so far). That's too big a time frame to put it down to bad luck and these teams were and are hugely resourced teams. With the players at his disposal at both clubs he should be doing a lot better.

He might need to change his ideology to succeed in Europe but not a sackable offence unless the owners become desperate for CL. We want to play like Barcelona but don't really have the pace of passing and intensity they do. We need more pace in the team whether in the form of a fast playmaker (like Hazard) or in the form of wingers which Mancini seems to hate yet they aren't as dated and primitive as he seems to think, Real Madrid and Bayern are doing well enough with them at European level.

 

[JamesA]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

After what can only be described as an humiliating night in champions league football for the club. The question I am now asking which I guessing is in back of a lot of peoples minds is this it for Macini? Is this as far as he can take us?

I think we all know why he was shown the door at Inter, and this competition has been his archilles heal? Personally I have been questioning where we go from here or a few weeks, and perhaps the coincidence that we have brought in an ex Barca honcho might be a clue for who we are looking at if the trigger is pulled.

But even if Mancini can bring us another premier league trophy this season is that gonna be enough, personally I don't think so. Right now barring a miracle of biblical proportions we are out of the champions league and that just is not good enough.

Call yourself a city fan, man up you tosser, i know lets go back to Pearce

What a pathetic and ridiculous post. What's Pearce got to do with anything?

 

[Evo49]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Mancini and Citys performances in europe have been poor , but to talk about sacking him after 2 CL campaigns , is fuckin ridiculous ....... imo

Under most circumstances, sure. But this isn't a man that has shown he's capable of winning in Europe. It has been stated that the goal of the owner (the one that can pull out with a phone call and send us to the conference or worse within a few seasons) is getting into Europe and competing on a level that is a justification for the massive expenditures

The gut reaction is to say "out" although I'm not saying that specifically, but I'm just looking at this from a practical standpoint. We have owners with the highest expectations in the world of Sports. This is not what they're paying Mancini for. It would be different if our 1 point came against Real, Barca, and Munich. You have commentators the likes of the weasel Gary Neville that are calling out where the goals are going to come from minutes before hand, yet Mancini isn't making the adjustments? When you can clearly look to the Manager and ask why he made a decision that can be directly linked with a goal, you have to start wondering why that manager is being paid!

I have a feeling that every single one of you that are rubbishing the negative comments about Mancini would be delighted if he was sacked for Guardiola or Mourinho either in January or the summer.

How many managers have been sacked for less? I personally wouldn't look back if Mancini was sacked for Mourinho or Guardiola...

Mourinho was able to win it essentially with the squad that Mancini failed miserably with. Guardiola was able to do it twice in three years. Mancini has made the managers of Ajax, Dortmund, Napoli, and Munich look like tactical geniuses by comparison. Its becoming abundantly clear that Mancini is not able to achieve success in Europe (again, winning the tournament isn't the requirement).

Brilliant. In fact what if we sign Mourinho and Guardiola and kept Mancini as well ?

We could have a sort of managerial rotation policy based on results.

 

[shaun at my desk]

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Can we hope for a first clean sheet against Swansea?

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19768745" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19768745</a>

Here's hoping

Point taken.Blame it on the Cider and smoke.

 

[DalbeyINUK]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

I worry about Mancini. I do. I question the length of the leash our owners have given him regarding champions league football. That being one of their highest priorities for both prestige and revenue. Not getting out of the group stages two years in a row, especially if we continue to get results like this for the rest of this season in Europe could be disastrous for him. I don't know that it will be, but it's certainly putting himself in a much more precarious position then otherwise.

I love the guy personally and have loved what he's done in the premier league, but I question the patience of our owners and the need for champions league revenue regarding FFP. Perhaps demanding Mancini's head as the original poster did (I believe he did anyway it was 13 pages ago) isn't the way to go about it, but the discussion is certainly valid and someone is not an idiot or a rag for bringing it up.

 

[Anonymous]

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ha ha ha ha this thread is a joke.

 

[Stoned Rose]

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There's not a chance on earth I'd sack Mancini for not doing to well in two really hard CL groups.

Especially when he clearly didn't get the reinforcements he needed in the summer to help us make improvements at CL level.

He lead us to the premiership title and the FA cup. He's a fucking legend.

Sadly I'm not sure the owners will see it the same way. Especially with Guardiola being available and Soriano being an influential figure at City these days.

 

[seventeen hands]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

After what can only be described as an humiliating night in champions league football for the club. The question I am now asking which I guessing is in back of a lot of peoples minds is this it for Macini? Is this as far as he can take us?

I think we all know why he was shown the door at Inter, and this competition has been his archilles heal? Personally I have been questioning where we go from here or a few weeks, and perhaps the coincidence that we have brought in an ex Barca honcho might be a clue for who we are looking at if the trigger is pulled.

But even if Mancini can bring us another premier league trophy this season is that gonna be enough, personally I don't think so. Right now barring a miracle of biblical proportions we are out of the champions league and that just is not good enough.

This thread is an absolute joke.

 

[JamesA]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

I worry about Mancini. I do. I question the length of the leash our owners have given him regarding champions league football. That being one of their highest priorities for both prestige and revenue. Not getting out of the group stages two years in a row, especially if we continue to get results like this for the rest of this season in Europe could be disastrous for him. I don't know that it will be, but it's certainly putting himself in a much more precarious position then otherwise.

I love the guy personally and have loved what he's done in the premier league, but I question the patience of our owners and the need for champions league revenue regarding FFP. Perhaps demanding Mancini's head as the original poster did (I believe he did anyway it was 13 pages ago) isn't the way to go about it, but the discussion is certainly valid and someone is not an idiot or a rag for bringing it up.

Exactly, nice post and well put. End of the day, people who start with the abuse and calling people a rag for daring to question Mancini, well I do have to question the amount of brain cells flying round in their heads to be honest.

 

[bluedan]

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Serious question. IF Swansea beat us at the weekend will Mancini get sacked?

I just hope we get back to winning ways asap and perhaps revert to playing 4-5-1 in europe with Yaya behind Tevez.

 

[mancmackem]

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Ban him. Mike D=Thundercunt.

 

[City Raider]

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sometimes i yearn for the days when i'd have to wait until the pink came out or the odd radio bulletin