Isco

[RochBlue]

If Isco is fighting for his place then the real reason why Germany won the World Cup is that they put their towels on the "playing seats" in their respective changing rooms well before anyone else.

It was not about changing their methods 10 years ago but getting up at 4:30am, it all makes sense!!!

 

[JamesMCFC]

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[Mr. Aguia]

Given what we have do we really need Isco? It was clear last season that we needed to supplement 4 positions, 3 of which are sorted and the other seems to be well in hand.

We have a wealth of great attacking midfield options so why this mad urge to add to it? Its obviously nice to sign new players but not when theres no real point.

You could say that for Madrid, Barca, Munich etc.. but they continue to sign top attacking player after another. I don't think you can have too many great players. Silva has had injury issues with his ankle and misses games. Having someone to replace him would be ideal. Particularly since he's a better goal scorer, faster, can take people on plus he's younger etc.. When you compare us to the other elite teams in Europe we don't have nearly as many elite players.

 

[Bunk]

+1.

Another major issue which gets bypassed in threads like this is that given the expectation we are to sign Mangala, then we will have 19 registered overseas players on the books which means that to add Isco to the squad, three existing players will have to move on to include him in the Premier League, and an extra body will have to be omitted from the CL too. So given the problem of moving on unwanted homegrown players if only to get the wage bill down, then which of our elite group of overseas players should we be prepared to ditch, whilst keeping a balanced squad and also to keep this part of the wage bill down so as to accommodate a high earner like Isco?

It isn't easy and it just won't happen.

18 isn't it? Or have I missed someone? Richards & Sinclair are missing as I'm presuming they're history. Still too many of course.

1. Caballero
2. Zabaleta
3. Sagna
4. Kolarov
5. Demichelis
6. Kompany
7. Mangala(?)
8. Fernando
9. Garcia
10. Fernandinho
11. Nasri
12. Silva
13. Yaya
14. Navas
15. Jovetic
16. Aguero
17. Dzeko
18. Negredo

19. Hart HG
20. Wright HG
21. Clichy HG
22. Milner HG
23. Rodwell HG
24. Boyata CT

Caballero was a foolish signing in my opinion, could have easily purchased a talented young home grown goalkeeper.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Who Bunk?

 

[Bunk]

That lad at Celtic, he could have been bought this summer.

Pointless using an overseas player birth for a goalkeeper when there are so many perfectly functional reserve goalies in the UK already.

 

[bluechampion7891]

That lad at Celtic, he could have been bought this summer.

Pointless using an overseas player birth for a goalkeeper when there are so many perfectly functional reserve goalies in the UK already.

That's where you are wrong. He has been brought to provide competition for Hart and maybe displace him, not be a "functional reserve goalie"

 

[blueparrot]

That lad at Celtic, he could have been bought this summer.

Pointless using an overseas player birth for a goalkeeper when there are so many perfectly functional reserve goalies in the UK already.

It was only pointless if you think Txiki and Soriano don't know what they're doing and don't have plan. I think you'll find they do have a plan.

 

[pudge]

That lad at Celtic, he could have been bought this summer.

Pointless using an overseas player birth for a goalkeeper when there are so many perfectly functional reserve goalies in the UK already.

Forster?

He would have cost significantly more than what we paid for Caballero.

The club obviously have an idea as to where they wish to go with regards to meeting the required squad criteria and would only have signed Caballero with that in mind.

Also, Pellegrini obviously wants competition for places rather than mere backup in numbers; can you name a HG 'keeper willing to and capable of challenging for a starting spot with England's number one AND would fit in our budget?

 

[Bunk]

You make it sound like FFP has completely paralysed us, this is simply folly. Forster would have been affordable and would have supplied sufficient competition. Not that Joe Hart isn't going to play every single remotely significant game next season, whilst the player supposedly here to provide stiff competition will basically play the Capital One Cup and nothing more.

We should be buying this lad Isco, the Rodriguez and Kroos transfers coupled with Bale, Ronaldo and Modric makes it virtually impossible for him to be anything more than an occasional substitute, he must know this. This is also withstanding the possible departures of Khedira and Di Maria. We’re not desperate for creative midfielders, however, when players of this quality become available it is prudent to make exceptions.

Willy Caballero or Isco…

It’s nothing personal against Caballero, it is about the role at the club he is going to fill and how wasteful we have been in this instance with allocation of overseas player births.

 

[daztrueblue91]

You make it sound like FFP has completely paralysed us, this is simply folly. Forster would have been affordable and would have supplied sufficient competition. Not that Joe Hart isn't going to play every single remotely significant game next season, whilst the player supposedly here to provide stiff competition will basically play the Capital One Cup and nothing more.

We should be buying this lad Isco, the Rodriguez and Kroos transfers coupled with Bale, Ronaldo and Modric makes it virtually impossible for him to be anything more than an occasional substitute, he must know this. This is also withstanding the possible departures of Khedira and Di Maria. We’re not desperate for creative midfielders, however, when players of this quality become available it is prudent to make exceptions.

Willy Caballero or Isco…

It’s nothing personal against Caballero, it is about the role at the club he is going to fill and how wasteful we have been in this instance with allocation of overseas player births.

The problem that you're overlooking is the fact that any home grown keeper capable of challenging Hart would be pretty much committing career suicide by joining us as our number two.

Using Forster as an example, he is in the England squad and playing regular first team football for Celtic. If he was to move to the PL it would be at a club he would be a guaranteed starter for. It would be all well and good him coming to us and providing Hart competition on the training pitch but that isn't going to get him noticed by Hodgson is it.

All the home grown keepers that were being banded about like Westwood are more on par with Richard Wrights level than Hart's or Caballero's.

 

[sam-caddick]

You make it sound like FFP has completely paralysed us, this is simply folly. Forster would have been affordable and would have supplied sufficient competition. Not that Joe Hart isn't going to play every single remotely significant game next season, whilst the player supposedly here to provide stiff competition will basically play the Capital One Cup and nothing more.

We should be buying this lad Isco, the Rodriguez and Kroos transfers coupled with Bale, Ronaldo and Modric makes it virtually impossible for him to be anything more than an occasional substitute, he must know this. This is also withstanding the possible departures of Khedira and Di Maria. We’re not desperate for creative midfielders, however, when players of this quality become available it is prudent to make exceptions.

Willy Caballero or Isco…

It’s nothing personal against Caballero, it is about the role at the club he is going to fill and how wasteful we have been in this instance with allocation of overseas player births.

How do you know Caballero isn't going to be number one next season? I am not ruling it out.

Why spend a reasonable amount of money on a foreign goalkeeper who Pellegrini has worked with, has been one of the best goalkeepers in La Liga in the past couple of seasons and will be going against our much needed HG places?

Joe Hart's place is not nailed on at all in my opinion.

I do think we should find room for Isco though as I think he will be as good as Silva in a few years.

 

[pudge]

You make it sound like FFP has completely paralysed us, this is simply folly. Forster would have been affordable and would have supplied sufficient competition. Not that Joe Hart isn't going to play every single remotely significant game next season, whilst the player supposedly here to provide stiff competition will basically play the Capital One Cup and nothing more.

We should be buying this lad Isco, the Rodriguez and Kroos transfers coupled with Bale, Ronaldo and Modric makes it virtually impossible for him to be anything more than an occasional substitute, he must know this. This is also withstanding the possible departures of Khedira and Di Maria. We’re not desperate for creative midfielders, however, when players of this quality become available it is prudent to make exceptions.

Willy Caballero or Isco…

It’s nothing personal against Caballero, it is about the role at the club he is going to fill and how wasteful we have been in this instance with allocation of overseas player births.

Well thanks for completely ignoring logic and reason as well as my question and point, that's me told..

 

[remember arthur mann]

You make it sound like FFP has completely paralysed us, this is simply folly. Forster would have been affordable and would have supplied sufficient competition. Not that Joe Hart isn't going to play every single remotely significant game next season, whilst the player supposedly here to provide stiff competition will basically play the Capital One Cup and nothing more.

We should be buying this lad Isco, the Rodriguez and Kroos transfers coupled with Bale, Ronaldo and Modric makes it virtually impossible for him to be anything more than an occasional substitute, he must know this. This is also withstanding the possible departures of Khedira and Di Maria. We’re not desperate for creative midfielders, however, when players of this quality become available it is prudent to make exceptions.

Willy Caballero or Isco…

It’s nothing personal against Caballero, it is about the role at the club he is going to fill and how wasteful we have been in this instance with allocation of overseas player births.

How do you know Caballero isn't going to be number one next season? I am not ruling it out.

Why spend a reasonable amount of money on a foreign goalkeeper who Pellegrini has worked with, has been one of the best goalkeepers in La Liga in the past couple of seasons and will be going against our much needed HG places?

Joe Hart's place is not nailed on at all in my opinion.

I do think we should find room for Isco though as I think he will be as good as Silva in a few years.

Yep, Joe lost us a lot of points last season, Caballero could get No 1 spot.

 

[sam-caddick]

We should be doing this with Isco.

Jonathan Johnson @Jon_LeGossip · 1h

Italian & French reports that PSG have been in talks with Real Madrid's Angel Di Maria today re: a loan move with option to buy. #PSG #RMCF

Jonathan Johnson @Jon_LeGossip · 1h

Is PSG loaning Real Madrid's Angel Di Maria to outsmart UEFA actually stronger proof that FFP is flawed than Real signing James Rodriguez?

 

[LoveCity]

^ But who goes?

We can sell Garcia... we can sell Nastasic (U21)... but we'd still have to sell another foreigner to bring in Isco. And there are no obvious candidates, we have a settled squad where nearly every non-homegrown player is a major part of it.

 

[George Hannah]

^ But who goes?

We can sell Garcia... we can sell Nastasic (U21)... but we'd still have to sell another foreigner to bring in Isco. And there are no obvious candidates, we have a settled squad where nearly every non-homegrown player is a major part of it.

missed an opportunity with Kola

 

[Bunk]

I picked Forster's name out of the air, he's just one of many. Scott Carson, Rob Green, Chris Kirkland, Ben Foster, Kasper Schmeichel, Jack Butland, John Ruddy, honestly there's plenty of decent GKs. We're only after a backup goalkeeper, we don't need Gianluigi Buffon.

I understand the importance of creating the illusion of competition for Joe Hart's place, but in reality we all know who will start and finish the season as undisputed No. 1 this season - Joe Hart.

Willy Caballero or Isco...

 

[George Hannah]

^ But who goes?

We can sell Garcia... we can sell Nastasic (U21)... but we'd still have to sell another foreigner to bring in Isco. And there are no obvious candidates, we have a settled squad where nearly every non-homegrown player is a major part of it.

Scapuzzi must be worth a few bob

 

[pudge]

I picked Forster's name out of the air, he's just one of many. Scott Carson, Rob Green, Chris Kirkland, Ben Foster, Kasper Schmeichel, Jack Butland, John Ruddy, honestly there's plenty of decent GKs. We're only after a backup goalkeeper, we don't need Gianluigi Buffon.

I understand the importance of creating the illusion of competition for Joe Hart's place, but in reality we all know who will start and finish the season as undisputed No. 1 this season - Joe Hart.

Willy Caballero or Isco...

Do injuries not exist in your own little world?

Yeah, Joe's goes down for a few months... bring on Chris Kirkland. The Champions League won't know what hit them.

We signed one of the best 'keepers in La Liga over the past few seasons for less than £5m to fill the canyon sized gap between Joe Hart and Richard Wright and you're pining for the likes of Rob Green, fucking hell. Not to mention that all bar Butland I believe are already first choice for their clubs and Butland played bounced around between 3 clubs last season...3. Would they be willing to take up the spot Caballero's willing to?

If it is a choice between the two like you're presenting, well then I guess it looks like we'll be stuck with Silva and Nasri, with the likes of Jovetic, Milner, Navas, Yaya, Negredo, Dzeko, Aguero in other attacking roles next season... aww nerts.

All that said, I'd still give a left bollock for Isco, but I'll be more than happy with our business if Mangala's the last one in as the club will have addressed what they needed to.