Islamophobia in the Conservative Party

[SWP's back]

Bit harsh on Christianity. I mean it inspires the odd bout of genocide every generation or so but still...

I’m not fan of religion and especially Christianity in particular but can you please explain the part in bold.

Please note I’m especially interested in the word ‘inspires’ and the usage of the words ‘every generation’ which implies every 20 years.

 

[urban genie]

Maybe because it isn't? The region with the largest Muslim populous is South East Asia (62%) and they share virtually no connection to Arabian or Indian subcontinental cultures or backgrounds, so you cannot call Islam a race in the same way as you would with Jews/Hebrews which have essentially become synonymous.For example, would you call Christians a race? Of course not.

Am I a Christianophobe for criticising the Christian religion? Am I an Islamophobe for being critical of Islam? Note, being an Islamophobe means being critical of the religion, now being critical of MUSLIMS is an entirely different topic altogether. Criticisms of ideologies does not a racist make.

To answer your christianphobe question

Anti-papalism exists as does anti-lutherism (or prodestantism) and these terms have been used since tudor times, we just generally call it sectarianism inyhis country now though for this country and is alive and well in some areas of society.

As I said the term anti-islamic is probably better as a term.

Islamaphobia though is the term that has been given and still describes a prejudice (not racist) mindset.

 

[asaluttar]

No hypocrisy here. I condemn both anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. It would appear you don’t.

Nope, just like I don't care equally about a driver going at 72 on a 70mph motorway versus another driving at the same speed, drunk, through a 20mph school zone.

And since its difficult for you, here is a list of facts about Jews in general
- Zero involvement in grooming gangs
- Zero acts of terrorism
- Don't try to impose their practices such as food, religious customs etc on the majority
- haven't physically wiped out (or tried to) religious minorities in half a dozen different places in the last century just because they don't follow the same book
- small, highly educated group that are declining in population in Europe (partly because of forced outward migration as a result of increased racism from certain "immigrants"

Let me know if any single one of the above applies to Muslims / Islam, would support your claims that being spectical of that religion is a "phobia"

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Yes but there are many modern thinking, non hardline, non fundamentaist muslims all over the world, getting on with their daily lives, not hating gays, oppressing women, having a jihad against everyone else, who are hated by some, because they are muslim.

Generalising that all followers of Islam are bad is prejudice and religious hatred.

Hate the way the religion is used by some nations and sects of the faith, but don't hate good people for their beliefs.

What I am saying is like any religion some will hide behind words like Islamaphobia to stop critism, but it cannot be ignored that there are plenty who hate muslims, and don't care if it's some jihadist terrorist or the local guy living down the street working and doing no harm to anyone.

Their are christian fundamentalist (familt research institite and chricstian voice in the US come to mind)
Catholic fundemtalist (the st pius lot)
Budhist fundamentalist (969 group in burma and bodu bada in Shri Lanka are nutters)
Muslim fundamentalist (isis, al nusra etc)

All these groups are wankers, but doesn't mean everybody following that religion agrees with them (and I am not saying you are saying that btw), so those that hate muslims for being muslim without context of their life and values is anti-islamic and maybe that is the term that should be used.

Nobody has generalised,and yes, only idiots will assume that all muslims are terrorists, and hate accordingly, yet
many aspects of this faith are anathema to many non adherents, to deny this fact is also denying reality. Pointing out these aspects
has now become assumed to be hatred of all muslims, it isn't, and attempting to paint it this way is wrong.

 

[Fame Monster]

To answer your christianphobe question

Anti-papalism exists as does anti-lutherism (or prodestantism) and these terms have been used since tudor times, we just generally call it sectarianism inyhis country now though for this country and is alive and well in some areas of society.

As I said the term anti-islamic is probably better as a term.

Islamaphobia though is the term that has been given and still describes a prejudice (not racist) mindset.

I would say none of them terms are an accurate way to describe prejudice towards Muslims. Most rational people, i.e. atheists, are proudly and justifiably Islamophobic and anti-Islamic, if you consider that Islam is the term more often used to describe the faith rather than its followers. At the same time though, they can still recognise that the vast majority of Muslims are otherwise normal, decent people who are not adherents to every fundamental belief in the Islamic faith. A better term to describe people who unreasonably discriminate against followers of the religion is anti-Muslim and for me, that's the term that should be used and that's what we should try and stop whether it's in the Conservative party or wider society in general. For me, that's a very important distinction to make because Islamophobia is a term invented to try and suppress criticism of a faith, and given the harm that such a faith is causing in the world, that's the last thing a 21st century society should be doing.

 

[mat]

Some people on this thread have a touch on for Tommy Robinson.

How anyone can support islamophobia or anti semitism is beyond me.

A vocal minority of cunts as with every race,creed,religion fucking everything up and sewing hate, fear and ignorance to give their dicks a tingling feeling over the well being of the majority.

 

[SWP's back]

How anyone can support islamophobia or anti semitism is beyond me.

Go on. Quote the posts...

 

[Silva_Spell]

That isn't true

It's also used by useful idiots and cowards.

 

[Metal Biker]

Some people on this thread have a touch on for Tommy Robinson.

How anyone can support islamophobia or anti semitism is beyond me.

A vocal minority of cunts as with every race,creed,religion fucking everything up and sewing hate, fear and ignorance to give their dicks a tingling feeling over the well being of the majority.

I don't think anyone "supports" Islamophobia, not in the sense you want it to mean, anyway. All i've seen is people defending their right to be critical of religion, which does not espouse hatred. I'm an atheist, I don't believe in any doctrine that supports the ideas of the existance of the Abrahamic God. I regard it so ludicrous in it's concept that I hold them in the same regard as Flat Earthers, but I doubt anyone would accuse me of being racist against Flat Earthers.

They are free to believe whatever they wish, however they wish, but by the same token I am not required to support, promote, encourage or defend their beliefs, only their right to hold them regardless of my opinions of said beliefs. I'm not going to defend Islam; if asked what I think about it i'll be critical of it, that doesn't mean I think it should be banned or people prevented from believing in it. My hope is that all Jews, Christians and Muslims will one day renounce their faith voluntarily and it is resigned to mythology in the same manner of Greek, Nordic and Roman mythology.

To those without the capacity of lateral thinking, this is seen as being "Islamophobic". To me, using the term "Islamophobe" is a way of getting people who do not support the notion of believing in God, to subjugating them through guilt into accepting their religion and beliefs. A modern day "Blasphemy Law". You can't be racist towards Islam because Islam is not a race, it's a religious ideology. Islam does not mean Muslim. The correct term could be coined as "Muslimophobia", a fear of Muslims, which might hold more weight. But to be critical of an ideology institutes racist feelings? That's just silly. Ex-Muslims are especially critical of Islam, are they Islamophobic for holding a negative viewpoint on the religion?

 

[Blue Hefner]

It's also used by useful idiots and cowards.

Care to explain a little further?

I’ll give you 2 examples

1) Islam is an outdated religion with lots wrong with it and it needs reform

2) Muslim mayor wants to bring in Sharia Law in London

One is a legitimate talking point and has been talked about at length on reputable news shows. The other statement creates, promotes and puts fuel on the Islamaphobia fire