Harry Winks is now 21 and he didn't play any PL games last season at all, he's played 21 PL games this season but only started 2 averaging around 22 minutes for his games played. Admittedly he's been injured for a the last few.
Garcia is 19 how many minutes was Winks averaging at 19 ?Josh Onoma then. Just turned 20, played this season and last.
As for "averaging 22 minutes" ask Aleix Garcia if he'd like to average 22 minutes off the bench or just watch the whole 90 from the stands every week. Pochettino is testing them out, giving them chances to grow in confidence and learn. Yeah, he's only started 12 of his 33 games this season, but he's constantly involved, getting opportunities to show he belongs at that level, which is something our lot could only dream of.
I do agree, when a game is won, blooding youngsters is a good idea. Not sure we have had many games this season where we would have had a comfortable last 20 minutes though!Josh Onoma then. Just turned 20, played this season and last.
As for "averaging 22 minutes" ask Aleix Garcia if he'd like to average 22 minutes off the bench or just watch the whole 90 from the stands every week. Pochettino is testing them out, giving them chances to grow in confidence and learn. Yeah, he's only started 12 of his 33 games this season, but he's constantly involved, getting opportunities to show he belongs at that level, which is something our lot could only dream of.
Not quite the model of the team above them though, who are about to win the PL for the 5th time in 12 years (2 out of 3, as well). Meanwhile, Spurs are about to win the square root of bugger all, yet again.Or Tottenham. That's the team 8 points above us who've given over 80 appearances to players from their academy this season.
Not quite the model of the team above them though, who are about to win the PL for the 5th time in 12 years (2 out of 3, as well). Meanwhile, Spurs are about to win the square root of bugger all, yet again.
I mean, I'm not sure how offering Navas a one year contract closes off any future with City to 19 year old Pablo Maffeo, but ok.
I do agree, when a game is won, blooding youngsters is a good idea. Not sure we have had many games this season where we would have had a comfortable last 20 minutes though!
Here's what we actually know:
Maffeo impressed in pre-season and came into the squad.
Both RB's were injured and Maffeo didn't get a chance.
Bother RB's were bad, seriously bad, and Maffeo didn't get a chance.
Maffeo left in January after playing well in the only 3 games he was given a chance in.
Pep said he just needed more experience in front of proper crowds, so he went and got it.
Pep has offered 31 year old Navas a position as back up RB before Maffeo has even returned.
That's what we actually know and absolutely everything that's happened to date points towards the club passing over another promising youngster who will inevitably leave unhappy and discontented because when he was ready to make the step up, he wasn't given an opportunity.
Nothing that the club or Pep has done or said to date actually suggests he'll come in as back up RB and Navas will spend a season doing fuck all while Maffeo plays 20 games as back up right back, in fact it all suggests the opposite.
Anyway this is the transfer forum and we'll probably get bollocked for going off topic soon so perhaps lets just leave it at agree to disagree. You can carry on blindly hoping something very unlikely will happen, and I'll cynically assume the club will continue true to form.
And then to make it worse to justify the contract the old player will be a shoe-in for the bench as he's on too much money not to be. This isn't just Pep, been happening for years and still shows no sign of stopping just look at the bench on Saturday.Completely 100% agree and it gets more frustrating every year.
I'd like to see the academy prospects (and for me Maffeo has been ready for well over a year) brought in to push the established veterans through bringing some fresh hunger, fight and a desire to make names for themselves. It stops the older guys getting complacent and stagnating.
But nope, we'll probably just extend the contract of someone who has been borderline useless for the last three years in his preferred position. Sends a great message.
You claiming I made a snide remark about being more like MK Dons is... well bullshitSo your argument is we shouldn't give our kids a chance like Spurs because if we do might might only finish second instead of scrapping for 4th.
Let's face it, all it shows is that smartly using kids doesn't make a difference as you can both fail and succeed without it, and the snide remark about being more like MK Dons was..well snide and bullshit.
Sagna was injured in October, Zaba however wasn't and played in both our games that month (international break)
In fact, Zaba wasn't injured at all while Maffeo was not on loan.
Strange you seem to believe sending a 19 year old, that you've just given his first senior appearance, constitutes an attempt to alienate them.
You keep quoting this and I wouldn't mind watching the source to hear exactly what Pep said.
That's the rumour, yes.
Call a spade a spade mate, it isn't "the club", it's Pep who calls the shots.
Your cynicism isn't unfounded but if you think Pep wants to fuck off Maffeo, and it's now or never for a 19 year old fullback then you're barking up the wrong tree.
You claiming I made a snide remark about being more like MK Dons is... well bullshit
if Navas wasn't retained we'd need to purchase a back-up which would eventually curtail Maffeo's development
I'm not familiar with this posting etiquette! I was merely answering your post by comparing the success of Chelsea to the lack of success of Spurs. I also posted that both current Spurs 1st choice fullbacks were out, on loan, until they were over 21. No reason why our loanees can't do the same, I would hope.You replied to a comment I made to someone commenting on MK Dons, if you weren't agreeing with them you probably shouldn't have tried to carry it on.
Or we could do what every single other club in the world does and just play the kid without loaning them out for 5 years.
Re-signing Navas is curtailing Maffeo's development, I can't believe so many people are so wilfully blind.
No, it's not his fault at all. The idea of loaning a youngster to a Dutch title contender was questionable from the start. Even PSV's supporters were amused to get another CAM while there were plenty already - what the club really needed is wingers. The status of a loanee didn't help Alex to get more chances as well. I think it was our club's job to assess the player's abilities, PSV's needs and make right decision. Basicaly the same case as with M.Garcia who sat on the bench under his namesake and Llorente.Zinchenko's case is a terrible example. Just from memory the only person claiming he was promised first team opportunities before signing was his agent (which the lad may have repeated too). And if he can't get a starting place in PSV's team surely that's down to him? No loan team will guarantee game time if the player isn't up to the job, hopefully he's learning from the experience just what he needs to do.
Course I know. The thing is this team suits Odegaard's current abilities and allows him to play more or less regularly. Odegaard is probably not the best example, I actually don't like the modern practice of snatching teenagers by big clubs too early. My focus was on deficiencies of our loaning system, Real's was used just as an example of a more successful, well-planned one.'loan to Eredivisie' ? Is that so much better than loaning to Spains 2nd tier? You know that his team are only 8th in a weak league?
Carvajal, Vallejo, Mayoral - just what first came to mind.'loan to Bundesliga' ? If you're still talking about Odegaard then I can't see any reference to that.
its the same for most of our young players at the moment. tosin, anglino, garcia, gunn, nacho. none of them have really been given a chance and pep seems to want ready made first team players instead, he wont take a 'risk' playing them. tosin the strangest one, considering we've had no centre backs at times this season. until this changes i can't see many if any making it at city.
Not true, look up who played RB at West Brom.
I don't think this sentence is actually English, it certainly doesn't make sense.
Google it, it's incredibly easy to find.
it's more than just a rumour though isn't it, it's come from one of the most reliable City journalists out there, and backed up by Tolmie.
Yeah it is Pep, and yeah, fucking off a 20 year old fullback when he's got no existing competition for a spot is exactly that...fucking them off.
Or we could do what every single other club in the world does and just play the kid without loaning them out for 5 years.
Re-signing Navas is curtailing Maffeo's development, I can't believe so many people are so wilfully blind.
if maffeo isn't deemed quite ready then he isn't quite ready,
if your that passionate about our youth set up, get yourself the correct coaching badges and try and work for city, i actually know one of the youth team coaches,you obviously think you are a better judge of players than our team of youth coaches not to mention pep.getting a job at city will be a piece of piss for you.