It's Quiet the £250m return

moomba said:
Was never close to being as good as the rags and media were making out.

File under most young rag players breaking into the first team.
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The common denominator is united. It's a good awful environment that makes it near impossible for players to thrive.

I'd happily take him as a Gundogan and Kovacic replacement but that would never happen.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Can’t believe you, and not many others, don’t attribute the biggest part of their 1st goal to Dias. Go and watch the replay again, I’d snag it and post it myself if I knew how, it’s a high floated ball down the line that he has an age to get in position for against Kudus, yet he is miles away from winning it and jumps nowhere near the ball which is what then releases Richarlison before Stones slips and Rico lets Johnson get away from him.

Deal with it properly like any hand decent centre half does and no problem.
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You’re quite right. He’s also culpable. The problem is that the goal cannot be attributed to lack of playing time together or just one person erring; it’s a goal resulting from three individuals making mistakes, which is concerning.
 
Gabriel said:
You’re quite right. He’s also culpable. The problem is that the goal cannot be attributed to lack of playing time together or just one person erring; it’s a goal resulting from three individuals making mistakes, which is concerning.
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Wasn’t really a Lewis mistake the other errors led to him chasing back and he just wasn’t quick enough, if Nunes was in that position he probably would have been.
 
oldius said:
By your definition then KDB was not a globally recognised talent when he was signed.
Neither was Vinny.
That is my point. All of those players became great with us.
We must allow our new signings to become that, just as we did with those players.
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Vinny was a Belgium international when we signed him, who'd played over 100 first team games.

KDB was one of the brightest prospects in Europe when we signed him and came on the back of Vinny's recommendation. We also had a midfield of Yaya, David Silva & Fernandiho which allowed him to settle.

Not every signing will go onto be superstars or world class. But we're at a point in time where we can't hang around hoping these potential signings come good in 5 years time.
 
blueparrot said:
Wasn’t really a Lewis mistake the other errors led to him chasing back and he just wasn’t quick enough, if Nunes was in that position he probably would have been.
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The problem is that Lewis frequently ball watches in such defensive situations and is then slow to accelerate. In this latest example, he has nearly ten yards advantage on Johnson but takes 6 strides at running pace before getting into a sprint, by which stage his man is beyond him and the goal follows. The goals we are conceding are so unnervingly similar to last year it’s genuinely disconcerting.

I appreciate that the high line is fundamental to our play, but to do so with all genuine pace left on the bench strikes me as unnecessarily risky.
 
Gabriel said:
The problem is that Lewis frequently ball watches in such defensive situations and is then slow to accelerate. In this latest example, he has nearly ten yards advantage on Johnson but takes 6 strides at running pace before getting into a sprint, by which stage his man is beyond him and the goal follows. The goals we are conceding are so unnervingly similar to last year it’s genuinely disconcerting.

I appreciate that the high line is fundamental to our play, but to do so with all genuine pace left on the bench strikes me as unnecessarily risky.
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Think the choice of right back should depend who we are playing and agree against a spurs with a brentford manager knowing how they’d play same as they did against PSG I’d have gone Nunes,
 
oldius said:
Cherki was ripping apart the French league, he had the highest chance creation stats in Europe, yet playing for a non-dominant team.
Marmoush had the leading stats in the Bundesliga, ahead of Kane despite playing for an inferior team.
Khusanov and Bah had the leading U21 defender stats in the top 5 leagues.
Reijnders is Serie A MOTY.

We have signed all those, and when we signed KDB, he was described as a ridiculous buy, a Chelsea reject who we had been ripped off by buying.
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He just finished second with Wolfsburg and got Bundesliga record 20 assists, no comparison to Cherki. I understand your point ,but i wouldnt put Kevin in that list ,he had finished an astonishing season. Reijnders will be a good player for sure ,Marmoush doesn´t seem to fit very well in our team and other 2 just don´t get playing time. I really wish Pep will start using Khusanov soon.
 
blueparrot said:
Think the choice of right back should depend who we are playing and agree against a spurs with a brentford manager knowing how they’d play same as they did against PSG I’d have gone Nunes,
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Quite agree, though one cannot really know if players are currently being omitted for tactical or more strategic reasons. The painful reality is that we still have only genuinely quick defender, who cannot feasibly play every game, so opposition managers will deploy and attack accordingly.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
Hate to tell you this but Lewis' technical ability is about as good as his defending skills
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Very good then.... :-)

Mate, you have to compare like for like. When was the last time you saw Lewis play as a pure RB without having to invert?

His unique role means he has to cover RB, No 6, No 8, & No 10. You're comparing him to players who only play as defensive or over/underlapping RB's. It's a totally different defensive discipline.

OK, many of us agree that we need a specialist RB. If that player is to cover the Rico role, can you suggest some names & give examples of how & when they've excelled?
 
Quinny851 said:
Unless I've missed something our big signings have been Ait Nouri, Reijnders & Cherki. I wouldn't say any of them are huge, globally recognised talents. Cherki wasn't even our first choice and Reijnders was a complete unknown by the vast majority of us.

In fact, when was the last time we signed a huge globally recognised talent? Haaland? Before that was probably Aguero
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That’s a sweeping statement if ever.Reijnders was not unknown by most of us. Anyone with a cursory knowledge of European and club football should have known who he was.
 
blueparrot said:
Wasn’t really a Lewis mistake the other errors led to him chasing back and he just wasn’t quick enough, if Nunes was in that position he probably would have been.
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Give over mate, wasn’t that Rico isn’t quick enough, he’s daydreaming and ball watching instead of being aware.

I’d say fundamentally, the main mistake is Dias not being good enough in first place, then Rico, then lastly Stones as I think a slip is the least of the 3 errors.

Edit…just seen @Gabriel answered it above too.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Give over mate, wasn’t that Rico isn’t quick enough, he’s daydreaming and ball watching instead of being aware.

I’d say fundamentally, the main mistake is Dias not being good enough in first place, then Rico, then lastly Stones as I think a slip is the least of the 3 errors.
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It's stuff like that that drives me bonkers.

Last season Rico got the blame for Kovacic's mistake.

This season Trafford is getting the blame for Dias's mistake for the second goal. I really don't know what Ruben was thinking there.. that Trafford is Ederson.. passing to his left foot with a square pass from a goal kick when we're 0-1 down, about to go to half time. It was like playing Russian Roulette and it went off BANG. Totally braindead move but the kid gets the blame.. even though he was solid. Could do some things better but solid and massive double save at the end.

Yes I love Dias but obviously he needs to find a girlfriend who doesn't fuck his brains out!
 
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