It's Quiet thread 14 - 'do one' edition

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SiMCFC said:
I'd love to see the little guy play for us but certainly not if we have to undo 10 years of hard work, bringing wages to a sensible structure, nobody being 'bigger than the club', forward planning, not overpaying transfer fees etc. It stinks of a last chance at dominating Europe whilst we still have Pep which I get but I do worry about the negative long term affect this will have. Hell it wouldn't be City if we didn't put the fans through it!
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We've got 20m Instagram followers, Messi has 164m. Not sure this is just one attempt at cracking the CL, feels more like an attempt to fast forward through the next 10 year plan.

Assuming Covid goes away, imagine the friendlies in Melbourne, New York, Mumbai etc. Barca, Madrid spent years achieving their global brand that allows them to generate a lot of money. Whilst I still like to pretend football is about what happens on the pitch, that hasn't been the case for many, many years
 
Is there any news as to whether City or Messi have secured or could obtain this international transfer certificate from FIFA?
 
If he leaves Barca I'm convinced he'll come to us. It would be a bit weird for him to go to another club, a completely unknown quantity when we have everything in place for him. At City he'd have a mini Barca reunion with Soriano etc, whom by all accounts he always had a good relationship compared to Barca's current management. Not to mention Pep as manager and having Aguero as a teammate.

It's encouraging to hear he's adamant he's leaving, but I read earlier Barca want a sit down with him and you can bet they will throw everything at him to stay. Hopefully the biggest hurdle was him stating he wanted to leave, which he has done and the rest is just going to be wrangling so Barca can try and save face with a hefty (but affordable within FFP) fee.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
The talking, the negotiating is already over.

There is nothing left to determine from either side in terms of his willingness to join and our willingness to pay him what he requires.

Messi isn't flinching by the sounds of it.
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I can see us avoiding an impasse and just paying a ‘token’ amount to get this done. You can’t dilly dally for weeks on this as anything can change in a day. If he wants in, we need to bring him in. We value Garcia at €30m and they want him - get it done City.
 
I think the Messi effect on the club would be huge, not just his impact on the pitch as one of the best players on the planet, but off the pitch he takes the club to an entirely new level. Commercially, yes, but just imagine the impact it’ll have on the perception of the club by other players we are trying to attract - we’d have to capitalise on that in the coming years. Messi takes us to an Elite level, all that will be left is to win the Champions League and we are truely at the top table.
 
bluesince76 said:
We've got 20m Instagram followers, Messi has 164m. Not sure this is just one attempt at cracking the CL, feels more like an attempt to fast forward through the next 10 year plan.

Assuming Covid goes away, imagine the friendlies in Melbourne, New York, Mumbai etc. Barca, Madrid spent years achieving their global brand that allows them to generate a lot of money. Whilst I still like to pretend football is about what happens on the pitch, that hasn't been the case for many, many years
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Wow at those Instagram figures. You can’t even put a figure on the impact he would have on the club and brand - we would become exponentially more popular and bring in a new generation of fans and sponsorships.

You’ve worded it perfectly mate, this accelerates us at light speed.

Estimated £250m total costs (£50m wage a season and £100m fee) to have him here for 3 seasons would be the biggest a bargain in the history of the game. In a world where Dembele cost Barca £140m, Pepe cost Arsenal £80m (plus wages!) etc I’m not sure what anyone is smoking if they don’t see the incredible impact this will have and the value it will bring us over the next 10, 20, 30 years and beyond.
 
This is so BIG if we sign him, all night there have been teams players etc who are not football related tweeting about messi. Hes a massive Icon, over 20 million tweets in 24 hours thats mental
 
SiMCFC said:
I'd love to see the little guy play for us but certainly not if we have to undo 10 years of hard work, bringing wages to a sensible structure, nobody being 'bigger than the club', forward planning, not overpaying transfer fees etc. It stinks of a last chance at dominating Europe whilst we still have Pep which I get but I do worry about the negative long term affect this will have. Hell it wouldn't be City if we didn't put the fans through it!
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I don’t think having arguably the best footballer of all time on more money than the likes of Sterling and De Bruyne for example will make one bit of difference personally.

The wage bill has dropped dramatically by the sales of Sane, Silva etc and salary differences apply in every football club or any organisation for that matter.

No negative long terms effects, I see quite the opposite and imagine how the players will feel on bringing him to our football club...imagine Phil Foden for example?

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity which we should grab with both hands.
 
What about the rumour going round messi is having 2nd thoughts?? apparently he’s seen our champs lg kit for next season!! ;)
 
How does this actually work I mean with a normal transfer you work out what a player is worth and work out what the club will accept and a deal is done how do you work out what Messi is worth ? How do you work out what Messi is worth with only a year to go ? How do you find out if you can have him for free before a potentially drawn out legal battle or work out what Barca might accept if they thought they might loose. His value is anywhere between nothing and nearly 700 million depending on what figures are used. @tolmie's hairdoo says we have everything agreed with Messi but that surely dependent on getting him at a reasonable price
 
@BluePhil8 said:
Wow at those Instagram figures. You can’t even put a figure on the impact he would have on the club and brand - we would become exponentially more popular and bring in a new generation of fans and sponsorships.

You’ve worded it perfectly mate, this accelerates us at light speed.

Estimated £250m total costs (£50m wage a season and £100m fee) to have him here for 3 seasons would be the biggest a bargain in the history of the game. In a world where Dembele cost Barca £140m, Pepe cost Arsenal £80m (plus wages!) etc I’m not sure what anyone is smoking if they don’t see the incredible impact this will have and the value it will bring us over the next 10, 20, 30 years and beyond.
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In a footballing sense, I still have my concerns about a 33 year old playing his first season in England (wet Tuesday in Stoke etc), but from a commercial perspective there's only 2 players who can do that. Mbappe may be a better long term bet as a player for someone, but is he as marketable, I doubt it
 
SiMCFC said:
I'd love to see the little guy play for us but certainly not if we have to undo 10 years of hard work, bringing wages to a sensible structure, nobody being 'bigger than the club', forward planning, not overpaying transfer fees etc. It stinks of a last chance at dominating Europe whilst we still have Pep which I get but I do worry about the negative long term affect this will have. Hell it wouldn't be City if we didn't put the fans through it!
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I get your drift and I must admit I’m not totally sold on the idea myself. However, I’ve decided to give my head a wobble and stop being a miserable twat. We’re talking about signing the best player that ever lived, or certainly one of them. Doesn’t seem that long ago I turned up ten minutes late at Edgeley Park and we were losing 2 nil. Bring it on!
 
bluesince76 said:
In a footballing sense, I still have my concerns about a 33 year old playing his first season in England (wet Tuesday in Stoke etc), but from a commercial perspective there's only 2 players who can do that. Mbappe may be a better long term bet as a player for someone, but is he as marketable, I doubt it
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Even age wise there’s a solid two years in him surely. Silva has just left who is a year older and I think we all would have agreed we’d have kept him another season, footballing wise he still would have contributed. Considering Messi has had a career of being kicked all over the show and battered each English side he’s come up against then there’s no footballing issue for me.
 
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