It's Quiet thread 14 - 'do one' edition

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himalayan_blues said:
What are the chances Mbappe comes here next season ? Anyone ITK here knows of our interest.
I think we are the second favourits. Of course he wants to go Real madrid. Barca cannot afford him. Juventus, intermilan , bayern do not have cash plus italian league is not that fancy. He is already in PSg.
Thus remaining are EPL clubs. Liverpool not that financially rich. Now chelsea, city and united are the real possibilities. I think if pep remains we will be clear favourites ahead of them.
If real cannot afford we will be favourites.
I want him ahead of messi.
Messi or Mbappe is a real possibility now, may be both.
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0 chance.

The middle east politics ensures that such an operation won't happen.

An he is a Madrid and zidane fan boy. Only place, he is ever going to go.
 
JimmyGrimble10 said:
I don’t care if it’s Koulibaly at this stage, but it feels like Jorginho. If we don’t sign him we won’t sign anyone, and without a top quality cb, that replaces Kompany 15 months after he’s left, we ain’t winning the league.
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unfortunately agree mate. :-(
 
himalayan_blues said:
What are the chances Mbappe comes here next season ? Anyone ITK here knows of our interest.
I think we are the second favourits. Of course he wants to go Real madrid. Barca cannot afford him. Juventus, intermilan , bayern do not have cash plus italian league is not that fancy. He is already in PSg.
Thus remaining are EPL clubs. Liverpool not that financially rich. Now chelsea, city and united are the real possibilities. I think if pep remains we will be clear favourites ahead of them.
If real cannot afford we will be favourites.
I want him ahead of messi.
Messi or Mbappe is a real possibility now, may be both.
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Somewhere between -100% and 0%.

Middle east politics, the choice to either stay where he is or to play in a country with a nicer climate and the fact that he apparently doesn't fancy us in the slightest (per Tolmie on several occasions on this thread alone) PLUS the fact that despite what the media says we don't tend to pay high transfer fees would seem to rule this one out!
 
razman said:
I made a similar post when news broke the Garcia wanted to fk off, we shouldn't be wasting our time or resource on Spanish kids, especially from madrid / barca.

They all want to go back at the earliest opportunity.

Case in point along with Gracia, deniz Suarez, Brahim diaz, even though they weren't good enough anyway
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But we will have made a fortune on that lot so no problem as far as I’m concerned
 
himalayan_blues said:
What are the chances Mbappe comes here next season ? Anyone ITK here knows of our interest.
I think we are the second favourits. Of course he wants to go Real madrid. Barca cannot afford him. Juventus, intermilan , bayern do not have cash plus italian league is not that fancy. He is already in PSg.
Thus remaining are EPL clubs. Liverpool not that financially rich. Now chelsea, city and united are the real possibilities. I think if pep remains we will be clear favourites ahead of them.
If real cannot afford we will be favourites.
I want him ahead of messi.
Messi or Mbappe is a real possibility now, may be both.
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He previously said he wasn’t interested with going to us despite the fact he loved Pep.
 
razman said:
I made a similar post when news broke the Garcia wanted to fk off, we shouldn't be wasting our time or resource on Spanish kids, especially from madrid / barca.

They all want to go back at the earliest opportunity.

Case in point along with Gracia, deniz Suarez, Brahim diaz, even though they weren't good enough anyway
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I presume that the club see these signings as financially beneficial projects, assuming that their eventual transfers outweigh their" development " costs.

It is frustrating though if they are given priority over homegrown prospects , only to be moved on when RM/Barca become an option.
 
razman said:
I made a similar post when news broke the Garcia wanted to fk off, we shouldn't be wasting our time or resource on Spanish kids, especially from madrid / barca.

They all want to go back at the earliest opportunity.

Case in point along with Gracia, deniz Suarez, Brahim diaz, even though they weren't good enough anyway
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All the ones you have mentioned we will do very well out of, not sure what the issue is?

If they were taking them back on a free after we had trained them for years I would be frustrated but we are taking them for a pittance and turned that lot into about 40m.
 
Cobwebcat said:
Yeah I can always pick a couple if I had to particularly if they were knocking on a bit but I never think “Oh my god not him playing” any more. Plus I think all players suffer from drops in form and it’s sometimes worth reminding ourselves that it normally comes back where as, in the past, there used to be around 10 players in the squad I thought were always useless!

Let’s take the 4 players currently being named as surplus. Now I’m not saying I wouldn’t choose them too just that, if they stayed, I would be OK with that.

Zinchenko: I like him. Still young full international. Midfielder who had to learn to be a full back. Not so long ago featured in a couple of matches where he was my MOTM. Made a few positional mistakes more recently and dropped. Great squad player.

Stones: The enigma. Suffers from confidence and injury problems. At his best a great player suited to our style. I think there is a chance he can regain his form and has time on his side.

Otamendi: This guy was great for us. A Centurion. He’s started to dive in again instead of standing up and plays so little that when he comes in he can be rusty. Age not on his side. Can see him going and doing a great job in a side that plays him more.

Gundo: Currently the fans favourite whipping boy now that Mahrez has improved. He was great for us and put up impressive analytics. For some reason he doesn’t seem to be putting in a shift. A clever player who still looks great for Germany.

Point is they all have their troubles but I don’t look at them and think I wish we had never bought them...and that’s a thing I’ve never really had over the years.
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It's interesting that these four are the "scapegoats" so to speak,but as we have all bought into,(eventually) the media whipping up a storm about our defence,and we all worry when Otamendi and Stones are together,the only thing worse than that would be having Bravo behind them,but he's gone now.

Centurion is what can be labelled to a lot of our team,unique in it's own way,but no way a selling point by any stretch of the imagination.

As I said earlier football evolves every season,sometimes quicker than that,and sometimes it's time to say goodbye.

All fans opinions differ on every player,that's how it will always be,but my thoughts on the 4 mentioned here are pretty straightforward,with no malice or sentimental reasons one bit.

All 4 could quite easily be gone,and most wouldn't bat an eye lid,Zinchenko being young has an advantage to stay,sort of,but good enough ? not for me,good at what exactly ? getting caught on half way line losing ball and running back as fast as Kolarov did......squad player at very best.

Gundogan must have it written in his contract that he starts every game,as you say,intelligent footballer,but worker ? not one bit,never see him put a tackle in,and my mam is faster at running than him.

Stones has a glass back,and is weak minded,we tried,it didn't work,it's time to go

Like I say it's not to start arguments,it's just these 4 are the highlighted ones at present,I mean Rodri and Mahrez could easily come into the equation,as could Bernardo on last seasons evidence.
 
meeesh said:
It's interesting that these four are the "scapegoats" so to speak,but as we have all bought into,(eventually) the media whipping up a storm about our defence,and we all worry when Otamendi and Stones are together,the only thing worse than that would be having Bravo behind them,but he's gone now.

Centurion is what can be labelled to a lot of our team,unique in it's own way,but no way a selling point by any stretch of the imagination.

As I said earlier football evolves every season,sometimes quicker than that,and sometimes it's time to say goodbye.

All fans opinions differ on every player,that's how it will always be,but my thoughts on the 4 mentioned here are pretty straightforward,with no malice or sentimental reasons one bit.

All 4 could quite easily be gone,and most wouldn't bat an eye lid,Zinchenko being young has an advantage to stay,sort of,but good enough ? not for me,good at what exactly ? getting caught on half way line losing ball and running back as fast as Kolarov did......squad player at very best.

Gundogan must have it written in his contract that he starts every game,as you say,intelligent footballer,but worker ? not one bit,never see him put a tackle in,and my mam is faster at running than him.

Stones has a glass back,and is weak minded,we tried,it didn't work,it's time to go

Like I say it's not to start arguments,it's just these 4 are the highlighted ones at present,I mean Rodri and Mahrez could easily come into the equation,as could Bernardo on last seasons evidence.
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Agree with all that and reflect that Ederson is sadly on the fringe of entering that group.
 
razman said:
I made a similar post when news broke the Garcia wanted to fk off, we shouldn't be wasting our time or resource on Spanish kids, especially from madrid / barca.

They all want to go back at the earliest opportunity.

Case in point along with Gracia, deniz Suarez, Brahim diaz, even though they weren't good enough anyway
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Far from wasting resources, they’ve generated resources for us. Would you rather we sign a young English kid who’s not as good who ends up being released and finds a career in the lower leagues? The very fact Madrid and Barca are coming in for our poached Spanish kids tells us it’s a good business plan.
 
itisrising said:
I agree that 'complete' players are hard to come by and it isn't even what should be demanded per se. We have the prototype in Fernandinho; that's the model of player that has been key in that role. What we're saying about Rodri is to cover weaknesses that have been fundmental to our defensive game for years; we need to cover his lack of pace, poor-average pressing game, ability to break up transitions, positioning, defensive reading of the game. All of which were attributes of Fernandinho's. So why exactly should the position be to cover his weaknesses as opposed to actually purchasing a player that has them as strengths? The key question is are Rodri's qualities for the side enough to offset his deficiencies?
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Really like the theory of Fern being a pro type we have not replaced.
The Sane-Aguero- Sterling front three was electric and having Komps leading on or off the field are two others.
I know the game evolves but I feel if we can replicate this through the team again we will be so dominant.
Add a speedy competent left back and boom.
 
kaz7 said:
Aside from Marvin ree!ing people in is there any news ?
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Haha - still miles away on KK and don't know if their president is prepared to lose face to make it happen.

No clue on an alternative.

We should keep an eye on the Barca outgoings - very interesting that the Vidal and Suarez deals are being bogged down.
 
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