It's Quiet Thread 15 - Txiki Blinders

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Ajm1985 said:
Why is it fashionable to deride those questioning the transfer strategy/results as having slapped arses or being entitled?

Pep led the team to win the league last year and made it clear that it needed refreshing with a couple of key signings, most importantly a striker. Khaldoon reiterated that. That they courted Kane, briefing confidence up to a week ago, and got nowhere near is worthy of criticism. As is having no back up option (see the flirtation with Ronaldo).

City will win games and play great football - possibly even win the league again. However, Pep and the club wanted a striker (Pep mentioned Kane in a couple of pressers which he rarely does), put all their eggs in Kane's basket and came out with nothing - it is worthy of criticism.
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It is the language used as much as their point. It is a failure to look at the big picture and concentrate on short-term needs, or perceived ones. It is also the personal attacks on club employees that have consistently delivered on almost every target the club set itself a decade ago.
 
Eric Hitchmough said:
Lolz. Hope you're joking because I fucking love my club. Maybe see you at the ground next time you're not watching soccer over there.
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I’ve booked flights to be back in December, I’m bringing my dear old mum over here until early Jan as she’s 86 now and can’t travel solo anymore.
Of course we have 2 away games but I’ll be at both (Villa & Watford). The Leipzig away is gonna be difficult but I’m working on it pal ;-) …
 
Plain Speaking said:
I suspect the club thought there might be more interest selling certain players, like Bernardo? (maybe even Sterling?), that may generate a good deal more money? No takers at the money we wanted though.
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Yea that makes sense,but to put an opening bid of 100m before any chat of players leaving were mentioned is weird in itself.

Bernardo and Laporte only came into the potential leavers much later.

Anyway I'm gonna have to realise now it's over,so I will stop sulking.
 
BufordUSABlue said:
I’ve booked flights to be back in December, I’m bringing my dear old mum over here until early Jan as she’s 86 now and can’t travel solo anymore.
Of course we have 2 away games but I’ll be at both (Villa & Watford). The Leipzig away is gonna be difficult but I’m working on it pal ;-) …
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Good man. Safe journey bud :)
 
nmc said:
The window is now closed and I guess we all have our views on how it went from a City perspective... The overriding emotion from many blues is disappointment; are we right to be disappointed? when we have just signed one of England's brightest talents for £100m? Probably not - when you can recall the days of signing Ben Thatcher and Danny Mills. I guess the issue this summer was expectations... expectations driven by the perceived financial advantage we thought we'd have - who'd have thought that Arsenal and Man United would both outspend us? Expectations driven by bullish comments from the Chairman that proved to be unhelpful in a wider context. We were linked with Kane for many months and history told us that when City hang in there it usually means we get our man - but on this occasion this proved to be incorrect and many of us are left wondering why we hung in there so long (giving us false hope) when it seems that City and Levy were always miles apart. Maybe Kane's naivity that Levy would let him go carried too much weight... we can dislike Levy all we like but Kane was his asset and he simply didn't have to sell and he chose not to - end of story.

In comparative terms Chelsea are the big winners they have strengthened immeasurably and they will give us one hell of a fight for the title and come May we may be left wondering why we got so outmaneuvered by them in the transfer market and allowed them to tip the scales firmly in their favour. Outside of Chelsea i don't think too many teams have done great business - the Rags have made a big splash but have they addressed long term issues - I'm not convinced that have... and they have certainly pushed their wage bill into a stratosphere that may impact their ability to sign big names in the immediate term. The Rags are also resigned to losing Pogba on a free now next summer. Only Sancho represents a decent long term addition to their squad and he is perhaps not as good as he clearly thinks he is. Arsenal have had a disastrous window - pissing £140m plus and not really addressing any of their fundamental weaknesses. I fear that outlay may pave the beginning of the end for Arteta.

As for City - there are those that say we have played a clever game, we didn't give in to Levy - but missed out on Kane. As a lifelong blue I have to confess that whilst I thought Kane would be a success here - I never quite saw Kane as the type of player (or personality) you paid £150m for - you kind of want someone a bit more charismatic - even flash... Kane is just dull, good but dull. A few are suggesting we are now in the box seat for Haaland - having dragged United into resigning Ronaldo - personally I never subscribe to such over zealous conspiracy theories but some people feel comforted by such things. Personally, I don't think we will pay either the wages or the agent fees to attract Haaland and we will see him go elsewhere - probably Bayern. On any level we failed to land a striker this summer and we put all our eggs into a single basket and somewhere along the way we got it wrong and the club will be investigating why and will no doubt learn from it.

The positives are we did get Grealish - a good signing who will do well for us, we clearly have transfer funds available and we have the discipline to be strategic and patient (in contrast to United), opportunities will present themselves in the future and we will bag a striker... as I have said before maybe we don't need someone world class - anyone who's an accomplished finisher would get a hatful in our side - maybe we need to be more creative. Perhaps the best news from this transfer window - is the fact that we managed to keep Laporte and Bernardo - talk of them being sold for circa £40m was ridiculous and some of the swaps discussed made no sense. We have a fabulous squad, a fabulous coach and Chelsea et al will have to get more than 90 points I would suggest to win the league - so we will be right there in the mix. Its not been a great transfer window but we didn't need it to be... come on you blues we can have a fabulous season.
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I am not sure how Chelsea have improved 'immeasurably'. For some reason, the things we do are often demeaned by some of our own fans while the 'achievements' of others are massively overstated, though I agree with much of your post.
 
meeesh said:
The silence from the club was deafening though,bordering on piss taking

We put a bid in for 100m during the Euros for Kane,then when we spend 100m on Grealish,Pep sits in the conference and tries to make out that we cannot spend 100m,and the only reason we bought Grealish was because we got 60m back in sales,so effectively saying Grealish cost us 40m

I get that,but then I ask myself so where was the 100m for Kane then ? Or is the answer so obvious that it was spent on Grealish instead,when arguably it wasn't the position we were needing.

Grealish will hopefully turn out to be a fantastic signing,and the early signs are that he will,but I'm confused as to where the other "100m" has gone
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Unlike the Public Sector there is no obligation to spend it or lose it, simply a budget possibility not a requirement.

Their money to spend in another direction if they want although traditionally invested at City rather than divied up among shareholders.
 
Centurions said:
I'll not talk about Txiki but I will...

If you're looking for shinny players try Grealish, I think he'll suit you.
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So what is your problem? I stated that city don't sell players at high price and the fact that fans just buy what the medias say, when the results are not good people tend to compensate the envy with having new players and not taking into account the details (wages, adaptability of the players etc)
 
SilverFox2 said:
Unlike the Public Sector there is no obligation to spend it or lose it, simply a budget possibility not a requirement.

Their money to spend in another direction if they want although traditionally invested at City rather than divied up among shareholders.
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Yup,agreed again,but we can't afford it according to Pep,so who knows
 
Rascal said:
I was told by a very good source that Pep was not bothered about buying a CF, he likes false 9 and sees Foden as perfect for the role, with back up from Raheem, Jesus and Kev. I got rounded on in typical BM style as being a bullshitter. Pep told my source and I quote " we have seen nothing yet" as he is perfecting the plan and Foden is central to it. Buying a CF like all the media suggested we needed would only have been done and again i quote "if it was an exceptional opportunity". The signing of Grealish adds another false 9 possibility and he was always the main target. Pep rates him very highly and will make him a better player. In 12 months Grealish could possibly be one of the best payers on the planet.

I agree with you, the negativity has been disappointing, some of our fans sound spoiled brats, In my opinion we now have the best squad in our history, we have some really promising kids as you have suggested and Torres could well be one of our best ever buys.
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I fully agree, a team is improved with players
Ajm1985 said:
Why is it fashionable to deride those questioning the transfer strategy/results as having slapped arses or being entitled?

Pep led the team to win the league last year and made it clear that it needed refreshing with a couple of key signings, most importantly a striker. Khaldoon reiterated that. That they courted Kane, briefing confidence up to a week ago, and got nowhere near is worthy of criticism. As is having no back up option (see the flirtation with Ronaldo).

City will win games and play great football - possibly even win the league again. However, Pep and the club wanted a striker (Pep mentioned Kane in a couple of pressers which he rarely does), put all their eggs in Kane's basket and came out with nothing - it is worthy of criticism.
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Who is the back striker in your opinion? I agree with you but we don't have the details unless if the club publicly talk about the subject
By experience buying just for the sack of buying doesn't work. I remember when Bony was bought, how some fans where over the moon and some journos writing about the greatestness of bony and how he is going to transform the team.
Football players are like show jumping horses, sometimes it is a lottery, you can have a good one, but he is not adapted to your riding (in football case, the tactics, personality, wages and the coach)
 
Rascal said:
I was told by a very good source that Pep was not bothered about buying a CF, he likes false 9 and sees Foden as perfect for the role, with back up from Raheem, Jesus and Kev. I got rounded on in typical BM style as being a bullshitter. Pep told my source and I quote " we have seen nothing yet" as he is perfecting the plan and Foden is central to it. Buying a CF like all the media suggested we needed would only have been done and again i quote "if it was an exceptional opportunity". The signing of Grealish adds another false 9 possibility and he was always the main target. Pep rates him very highly and will make him a better player. In 12 months Grealish could possibly be one of the best payers on the planet.

I agree with you, the negativity has been disappointing, some of our fans sound spoiled brats, In my opinion we now have the best squad in our history, we have some really promising kids as you have suggested and Torres could well be one of our best ever buys.
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I could call you a few things ;-) but bullshitter isn't one. I have no doubt that you posted honestly.

I find the huge amounts of negativity about City from our own support on social media deeply tiresome blight.

I won't deny being disappointed that we did not sign a world class striker but the options to do that or to improve our squad are limited and it is both difficult and expensive to do it. I believe the players that we kept, who were rumoured to be possible departures, are mostly better than our competitors added in the same positions, particularly in our own league; PSG are another story but we will find out how we compare to them this season soon enough.

We did improve our squad by adding Jack, with only an ailing Aguero leaving. I have very high hopes of Mr Grealish and fully agree we have the best squad in our history.

The point you raise about Foden is interesting as I have long considered him to have huge goal scoring potential. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he could pull off a decent Messi in false nine role "impersonation". Added to which, Torres has done nothing yet to suggest he cannot continue being clinical in front of goal; and the way his movement is coming on gives me great optimism that he will prove to be one of the bargains of the century.

I am quite sure that if Pep had wanted an out and out #9 signing at all costs, the club would have found an alternative to Kane but they haven't and that tells me there is a plan. If it's not looking like working, January will come around quite quickly.
 
Plain Speaking said:
Wow long post, I agree with most of it, although I think you downplay the rags acquisitions, Varanne will be a huge signing for them.

It's going to be a very close title race, Chelsea and rags will have optimism from their signings, Liverpool will have their defensive players back from injury and their rabid referee influencing fans back. You would imagine Leicester, Spurs, Everton and West Ham might take a few points off the bigger teams.

We will have super Jack Grealish and a title winning squad, not ideal without a recognised striker but let's get behind the team.
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All about opinions and I respect yours. I honestly think Varanne is a busted flush - been awful for a couple of years and whilst the move might reinvigorate him I really don’t think Real would have let him go if he was an A1 defender.
 
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