It's Quiet Thread 15 - Txiki Blinders

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Centurions said:
Did you miss the insistence on a release clause bit or are you ignoring it?
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Ignoring it because knowing Chelsea they’ll get round it somehow, probably by paying the agent a few million more. They always seem to get decent deals and the players they want. I like their attitude to transfers.
 
On Messi, he’s a free agent rather than a renewal for Barca now. As I understand it Barca have real issues with La Liga’s version of FFP. Seems to me to be a huge degree of brinkmanship.

If La Liga don’t make allowances for Barca to effectively allow them break the rules then Messi is gone. They will have a negative effect on La Liga on terms of marketing, international viewers etc.

Barca knew this and either they are willing to let Messi go and blame his loss on La Liga’s rules or they know La Liga will fold and allow them break the rules. My money is on the latter, hence they did their business early. If they pulled this stunt and La Liga buckled, there’s no way they’ll allow Barca to sign anyone else after Messi renews.
 
Pablo1 said:
Kane will be aware that it's now or never in regards to joining City so if he genuinely wants the move he will push.
Nothing will happen until next week so there's no point people getting pissed off as each day passes without an announcement. Not you by the way, just a general comment for those who are a tad impatient.
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If we don’t sign someone this week I’ll scream and scream and scream until I’m sick ;-)
 
roy.or.r said:
So you think Aguero is a better player than Pele?
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I didnt say that, i said that Sergio played in higher level leagues. Im sure if Pele had played here he would have been great, BUT, not as great as his stats in Brazil are. Bradley Wright Phillips didnt really cut it here, but put him in a pub league and he's the dogs bollocks.
 
simon23 said:
If we are all here to just say Pep etc knows best (and Im. sure that is true 99.9% of the time - no one gets it right all the time btw) then we might as well close the forum down surely
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I don't agree with the trophy and grealish argument yesterday. However this bit I do agree with, everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it. What Is the point of the forum when people use the Pep knows best argument.
 
simon23 said:
And its only "embarrassing" (which it really isnt at all) becuase some view that as a petty way of insulting someone and telling people they dont agree...

Im not sure why people cant just say I dont agree with you and either say why or argue the points instead of resulting to this petty form of insult.

There are others that do agree about both the Grealish and Kane potential signings. I get that you and others dont and Im fine with that - its all about opinions. Im happy to be proven wrong and if Grealish goes on to be a better signing that Bernardo Silva then fair enough....and if he doesnt, also fair enough he still maybe a decent player.

All im saying is that I dont believe he improves us and is certainly no better than what we already have (and probably not as good in some cases)
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One thing with football and players is we will find out next season if we sign those two players if they were good purchase we win trophies those purchases were a good buy they keep our trophy haul keep on coming..
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
No. The club has basically said to any player who isn't happy to bring us an offer because we won't stand in their way.

Think Laporte, Jesus and Bernie are the three in question.

No official offers yet, but sounds like City are willing to take money over longer periods as long as reflect our true valuations.
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I would be surprised if Bernardo is still with us next season. The only issue is whether there’s a realistic offer on the table. The fact that there’s been a push with Grealish suggests we expect to get a workable proposal.

As for Laporte either we don’t expect him to go or we have a replacement lined up. I wouldn’t have thought we’d let Harwood Bellis go out on loan without unless we had 4 centre backs at the club.

As for Jesus, I hope we keep him. He’s never going to be Aguero’s replacement but he can play anywhere across the front 3, he presses really well and he’s a decent dribbler. I would hate to see us sell him and then be looking for a reply for Mahrez in 2 years time.
 
Semper aggressus said:
If they can pay that for him why the fuck won’t we? He’d transform us and we’d be sorted for years without needing to sign another striker.

About time we showed we have bigger bollocks than fucking Chelsea. We need Haaland. If he goes there we can say goodbye to the title next season.
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Wouldn't touch a deal like that with a barge pole, whats the point of buying a player for more than £100 million plus the fee's for Riola and Alfie only to have someone come in 18 months down the line and pay the £150 million release clause.

This is the issue with Riola, his player hasn't even moved yet and he is already planning where he will go next. All this talk of being set for 10 years is bollocks, his agent doesn't work that way.
 
abu13 said:
Wouldn't touch a deal like that with a barge pole, whats the point of buying a player for more than £100 million plus the fee's for Riola and Alfie only to have someone come in 18 months down the line and pay the £150 million release clause.

This is the issue with Riola, his player hasn't even moved yet and he is already planning where he will go next. All this talk of being set for 10 years is bollocks, his agent doesn't work that way.
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Exactly remember anelka ?
Moved every few years as his brother were his agents and they made loads of dosh of it.
 
Luke The Blue said:
I don't agree with the trophy and grealish argument yesterday. However this bit I do agree with, everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it. What Is the point of the forum when people use the Pep knows best argument.
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Thanks. I posted the trophy argument in response to someone who posted stats based on one season (last season) who was using that to say Grealish and Kane were a step up from Aguero and Bernardo...now whether that is true or not is up for debate BUT using one seasons stats is not accurate either. And stats in any form can be misleading as I have said in other posts and its also about judgement with what we see on the pitch....

Grealish is a good player - but in my opinion he isnt as good as Bernardo or anyone else we have for that matter of fact....could he be - of course but at present he isnt.

Is kane a good striker - yes...is there better out there - yes......do i think Kane is the one that we should be going for...no I dont (and if we were somehow to land Messi I would advocate not going for a striker at all for a year and waiting for Haaland if possible)..but there are other options as well. But again thats just my opinion. Kanes goals scored I beleive is as good as Sergio's at the same stage in his career I believe but again those stats can been seen differently if you look at whom the goals are scored against...with the exception of Arsenal and Leicester Kane has scored the most goals against average midtable clubs outside of the top 6 - Sergio by comparrison scored more than double Kane did against the top 6 and for me that is the difference maker. (again I dont know how that comes out in goals to games ratio vs the top 6 as I couldnt find the stats so it could turn the argument on its head again)....but from watching him on the pitch enough for both Spurs and England I wouldnt go anywhere near Kane....doesnt mean i wont support him if he doesnt come however...same with Grealish and it also doesnt mean they wont be successful either.
 
mccity said:
Brazilian football in the 60's and 70's was considered to be as good as European football I believe.
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but as good as the prem league now as thats the comparrison....or stick Sergio in the 1960's and 70's Brazillian league
 
abu13 said:
Wouldn't touch a deal like that with a barge pole, whats the point of buying a player for more than £100 million plus the fee's for Riola and Alfie only to have someone come in 18 months down the line and pay the £150 million release clause.

This is the issue with Riola, his player hasn't even moved yet and he is already planning where he will go next. All this talk of being set for 10 years is bollocks, his agent doesn't work that way.
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Really depends on the player. Verratti, Insigne, Nedved, various others who are/were represented by Raiola and haven't moved often, if at all.

Not defending Mino as he's an odious leech on the game, but signing one of his players isn't necessarily sentencing yourself to having that player angling for a move two years down the line
 
abu13 said:
Wouldn't touch a deal like that with a barge pole, whats the point of buying a player for more than £100 million plus the fee's for Riola and Alfie only to have someone come in 18 months down the line and pay the £150 million release clause.

This is the issue with Riola, his player hasn't even moved yet and he is already planning where he will go next. All this talk of being set for 10 years is bollocks, his agent doesn't work that way.
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Not that I believe the claim itself, but as a hypothetical I agree. Unless it only applied to the last year of his contract, in which case it still has significant value to any club.
 
pavelsrnicek said:
I would be surprised if Bernardo is still with us next season. The only issue is whether there’s a realistic offer on the table. The fact that there’s been a push with Grealish suggests we expect to get a workable proposal.

As for Laporte either we don’t expect him to go or we have a replacement lined up. I wouldn’t have thought we’d let Harwood Bellis go out on loan without unless we had 4 centre backs at the club.

As for Jesus, I hope we keep him. He’s never going to be Aguero’s replacement but he can play anywhere across the front 3, he presses really well and he’s a decent dribbler. I would hate to see us sell him and then be looking for a reply for Mahrez in 2 years time.
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Gabby has been here for five years , aside from the real game and the hundred points goal he has been meh , a let down imo
 
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