Jack Byrne signs permanently for Wigan

[lancs blue]

Why do they have to be CL quality? Are you telling me that someone like George Evans (who’s now playing for the team 3rd in the Championship) couldn’t have come on as sub in a league game we were comfortably winning? Brandon Barker should have been given a chance towards the end of the 14/15 season when he was flying in the EDS and we had nothing to play for in the league. And there was a league match against Palace a couple of years ago in which we were 3-0 up and Pellegrini brought on Demichelis to play in midfield for 10 minutes instead of giving Thierry Ambrose his debut. Maybe those players would turn out not to be good enough, but at least they would have been given a chance.

Simplistically because we are aiming to win the CL and so we need a squad capable of performing at that level.

Of course George Evans and others should have been given a few games by Pellegrini, that was one of my big grievances with him. However, giving a youngster the odd run-out from the bench does not mean he's going to be good enough to hold down even a squad place, let alone a regular first team spot. that's a value judgement that the club management have to make. Just how many do you think they have got wrong over the last few years? You also have to consider that some of these youngsters may well prefer regular first team football at a lower level rather than stagnating on the bench with the odd game in the first team.

 

[WNRH]

Is there really this much surprise and fury that Jack Byrne has left?

The fact that he couldn't get into a struggling Blackburn side and has now moved to a struggling Wigan side should tell you everything you need to know! The way some of you go on it'a like we've just lost Iniesta in his prime.

No where near good enough for Manchester City and a three and a half year contract at a Championship club at heart is a fantastic move for him, the best of luck to him.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

It's not all that strange considering his last 6 months, however, he's the sort of player you have sat in your squad, capable and grasping the bigger picture... The scum did this for years with players like fletcher, welbeck, Gibson et al, they were no superstars but a much needed part of the squad..... Put it this way, I'd sooner see a Byrne than a delph!

 

[WNRH]

It's not all that strange considering his last 6 months, however, he's the sort of player you have sat in your squad, capable and grasping the bigger picture... The scum did this for years with players like fletcher, welbeck, Gibson et al, they were no superstars but a much needed part of the squad..... Put it this way, I'd sooner see a Byrne than a delph!

You'd sooner have a championship player than a proven prem and international player?

Also Welbeck and Fletcher are very good players even though I get what your point is.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

You'd sooner have a championship player than a proven prem and international player?

Also Welbeck and Fletcher are very good players even though I get what your point is.

The kid has potential to be a very good player, one who stays fit for starters and can be relied upon because of it... He hasn't been given the opportunity because the squad is saturated, it has nothing to do with talent....

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I'm still waiting on examples from yourself where City have demonstrably messed up. Suarez, Trippier, Sturridge & Schmeichel have all been ruled out for one reason or another (some by yourself), I might add that I disagree with the poster who thinks they have to be CL quality to get a chance but I'm still struggling to see who else fits the bill.

We would need to be in the Academy and /or very close to the players concerned to understand the true position. I can list more players, who I know less about, like Rabidot at PSG who was with us a 14 year old. At that age it's understandable people want to go home.

Statistically we have been poor. The law of averages says that if we were great at developing young players somebody would have had a run of games in the first team over the last deacade.I have given you enough examples and in some cases there are mitigating factors like I acknowledge earlier.

We should be striving for excellence that means severing some first team players rather than ending up as the Kayman Islands of youth development

 

[WNRH]

The kid has potential to be a very good player, one who stays fit for starters and can be relied upon because of it... He hasn't been given the opportunity because the squad is saturated, it has nothing to do with talent....

Everyone at City has the potential to be a very good player otherwise they wouldn't be at the club in the first place. Unless you are a once in a generation young superstar you have to go away and perform on loan and Byrne has simply not done that. The ones who do will go on to have great careers with ourselves, the ones who don't will have great careers elsewhere.

If he was as good as you and other suggest his next club would not be Wigan Athletic who could be League One next season, surely some other Prem team would see his talent or a high end Championship club?

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Everyone at City has the potential to be a very good player otherwise they wouldn't be at the club in the first place. Unless you are a once in a generation young superstar you have to go away and perform on loan and Byrne has simply not done that. The ones who do will go on to have great careers with ourselves, the ones who don't will have great careers elsewhere.

If he was as good as you and other suggest his next club would not be Wigan Athletic who could be League One next season, surely some other Prem team would see his talent or a high end Championship club?

I started the original post with 'potential', that is what all those people are trying to allude to. Nobody has said that he is the finished article, far from it, it's merely being highlighted, again, that there is a flaw in the transition in to the first team at the club..... The balance is wrong, thus what has been forced on the club is a buying policy of 'kids' due to the mistake in allowing the squad to become one of the oldest in the prem.

 

[Matty]

It's always disappointing when an academy prospect moves on. You have to ask though (and I don't know the answer to this) why did he make virtually no impact at Blackburn if he's good enough to be part of City's first team squad? If he'd performed really well at Ewood Park and we'd recalled him just to sell him on without a first team opportunity then I'd be pretty pissed, but to recall him when he's failed to perform at Championship level and then sell him on m not as bothered by. He's 20, he's not made an impact at a lower level so perhaps selling him on was the sensible approach. Angelino is another who needs to make a real impact these next 6 months at Mallorca, otherwise he could find himself surplus to requirements in the summer.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Four years mate. Harry Kane went out on loan at different clubs for a couple of years. Injuries and the Europa League forced Spurs' hand to give him a chance and they've given chances to a few other players since.

Ion answer to your question. I would happily have Kasper in goal now. Wouldn't you?

Nope, he plays for a team that is the antithesis of how pep wants to play, wrong attributes.

If we were at the stage of all of foden, brahim, sancho etc leaving then I'd be worried, they're a different calibre to what's gone before

 

[WNRH]

It's always disappointing when an academy prospect moves on. You have to ask though (and I don't know the answer to this) why did he make virtually no impact at Blackburn if he's good enough to be part of City's first team squad? If he'd performed really well at Ewood Park and we'd recalled him just to sell him on without a first team opportunity then I'd be pretty pissed, but to recall him when he's failed to perform at Championship level and then sell him on m not as bothered by. He's 20, he's not made an impact at a lower level so perhaps selling him on was the sensible approach. Angelino is another who needs to make a real impact these next 6 months at Mallorca, otherwise he could find himself surplus to requirements in the summer.

Exactly my point, Angelino also has no future here. He is being passed around Spanish clubs to impress and sell on and isn't impressing at all at the minute.

 

[Wiirdo]

Tbh I don't have much faith in bringing youth through when Iheanacho has gotten less minutes this season than last and we're playing Zabaleta in midfield of Garcia.

 

[Danny_Johnson4]

It's not all that strange considering his last 6 months, however, he's the sort of player you have sat in your squad, capable and grasping the bigger picture... The scum did this for years with players like fletcher, welbeck, Gibson et al, they were no superstars but a much needed part of the squad..... Put it this way, I'd sooner see a Byrne than a delph!

Than a Delph?

Delph has a serious chance to prove himself in the final 5 months of the season and I genuinely think his experience and energy will offer us something
He was captain at Villa and was their best player by a mile, would Byrne even get in the villa squad? Probably not

Why say something like that when the two are totally incomparable

It is a shame Byrne couldnt cut it or get the chance at City, but hes a million miles from where we are right now; hence Blackburn and Wigan taking him on

 

[cleavers]

It's always disappointing when an academy prospect moves on. You have to ask though (and I don't know the answer to this) why did he make virtually no impact at Blackburn if he's good enough to be part of City's first team squad? If he'd performed really well at Ewood Park and we'd recalled him just to sell him on without a first team opportunity then I'd be pretty pissed, but to recall him when he's failed to perform at Championship level and then sell him on m not as bothered by. He's 20, he's not made an impact at a lower level so perhaps selling him on was the sensible approach. Angelino is another who needs to make a real impact these next 6 months at Mallorca, otherwise he could find himself surplus to requirements in the summer.

Good post, and I totally agree. Its disappointing, but ultimately we over rate most of our youngsters. If Jack had been anywhere near what Pep wanted, he wouldn't be going to Wigan, its not like we need the money these days.

 

[paulchapo]

If he had something about him he would have been snapped up by one of the other premier league teams. At 20 years old and a cheap price he would be worth a punt but they obviously decided he wasn't. I hope we include a sell on/buy back clause in all the youngsters we move on as some are late developers.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Is there really this much surprise and fury that Jack Byrne has left?

The fact that he couldn't get into a struggling Blackburn side and has now moved to a struggling Wigan side should tell you everything you need to know! The way some of you go on it'a like we've just lost Iniesta in his prime.

No where near good enough for Manchester City and a three and a half year contract at a Championship club at heart is a fantastic move for him, the best of luck to him.

Where's the fury? Is he with his brother Tyson?

Why are you surprised that fans are disappointed that our youth system has failed to deliver a first team regular in a decade?

Also, would it be surprising that coaching in the Academy set up might be improved by more committed staff seeing some of the lads they have helped make the first team. Our coaches will be good but it's not so long ago that some deserted to join the rags. Hardly a sign of a very happy ship.

Jack Byrne going I can live with, if Tosin departs that would evidence some problems in the Academy.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Nope, he plays for a team that is the antithesis of how pep wants to play, wrong attributes.

If we were at the stage of all of foden, brahim, sancho etc leaving then I'd be worried, they're a different calibre to what's gone before

Therese lads are huge talents but If they are as good as Harry Kane I will be impresseed. Walker and Rose would walk into our team and suit Pep's philosophy. Spurs have attributes Pep wants so we no have Gabriel Jesus who matches the work rate of Son but will hopefully be more prolific.

 

[JFMGS]

Tbh I don't have much faith in bringing youth through when Iheanacho has gotten less minutes this season than last and we're playing Zabaleta in midfield of Garcia.

I have noticed this word "gotten" being used a few times now on this site. This is now almost exclusively used in American English as a past participle of "get". It is a word, when used by British people, that really irks me. So, come on people, stick to the correct word that this country solely uses in this context - "got".

 

[Cobra]

If he had something about him he would have been snapped up by one of the other premier league teams. At 20 years old and a cheap price he would be worth a punt but they obviously decided he wasn't. I hope we include a sell on/buy back clause in all the youngsters we move on as some are late developers.

Trippier has something about him and he wasn't snapped up by a Premier League team when he left us either, and Kasper Schmeichel left us to join a League Two team. Signing for a team in a lower league doesn't automatically mean a player is crap.

 

[TCIB]

Does he know the secret history of Wigan, some chap broke his leg there once legend has it.