Jack Byrne

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WNRH said:
Yeah let's bring someone back who can't get in a struggling awful Blackburn team.

Who needs Pep?
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Good thing Spurs never brought back that shitbird who couldn't get a game in the championship, what was his name again? Harry Kane or something? Whatever happened to him after he was recalled?

And what about that guy who couldn't get a game for Sheffield Wednesday, Ross Barkley? Did he ever make it out of the lower leagues?

There are 1,000's of reasons loanees don't do well, and only 1 of them is the player not being good enough, and anyone who follows youth football at all should know that. Especially when a **** like Owen Coyle is in charge.
 
domalino said:
Good thing Spurs never brought back that shitbird who couldn't get a game in the championship, what was his name again? Harry Kane or something? Whatever happened to him after he was recalled?

And what about that guy who couldn't get a game for Sheffield Wednesday, Ross Barkley? Did he ever make it out of the lower leagues?

There are 1,000's of reasons loanees don't do well, and only 1 of them is the player not being good enough, and anyone who follows youth football at all should know that. Especially when a **** like Owen Coyle is in charge.
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Both of your examples did play for their respective loan teams though.

Jack Byrne isn't getting in at Blackburn because he isn't good enough, nothing to do with who the manager is.
 
WNRH said:
Both of your examples did play for their respective loan teams though.

Jack Byrne isn't getting in at Blackburn because he isn't good enough, nothing to do with who the manager is.
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I completely disagree and having seen Byrne extensively and having the misfortune of seeing Blackburn, he is quite clearly good enough.

You have your opinion, fair enough. I doubt many share it.
 
domalino said:
I completely disagree and having seen Byrne extensively and having the misfortune of seeing Blackburn, he is quite clearly good enough.

You have your opinion, fair enough. I doubt many share it.
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You'll see who shares it in time.
 
WNRH said:
Both of your examples did play for their respective loan teams though.

Jack Byrne isn't getting in at Blackburn because he isn't good enough, nothing to do with who the manager is.
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I think it is far more complex than that, Blackburn are woeful and I'm not sure jack can change that on his own. It's hard to look good in a team of cloggers. He's a a round peg in a team full of big square stinky holes!
 
Gaudion M said:
I think it is far more complex than that, Blackburn are woeful and I'm not sure jack can change that on his own. It's hard to look good in a team of cloggers. He's a a round peg in a team full of big square stinky holes!
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I'm not sure it is to be fair, everyone was more or less crying out for Barker to be included last year, criticising Pellegrini for it (me included) but sometimes you have to take into account they are with them every day and we are not.

If Jack Byrne was as good as everyone thinks then Coyle would not be as stupid as to not include him at all when quality players are what is needed to get them out of the mess they are in.

First loans I can understand, different environment, different type of football, first taste of men's football, it's another world to them so you can accept bad first loans, but after the first they really need to kick on if you want to become part of a squad like ours and he hasn't and for me that is down to him and his true ability only.
 
WNRH said:
I'm not sure it is to be fair, everyone was more or less crying out for Barker to be included last year, criticising Pellegrini for it (me included) but sometimes you have to take into account they are with them every day and we are not.

If Jack Byrne was as good as everyone thinks then Coyle would not be as stupid as to not include him at all when quality players are what is needed to get them out of the mess they are in.

First loans I can understand, different environment, different type of football, first taste of men's football, it's another world to them so you can accept bad first loans, but after the first they really need to kick on if you want to become part of a squad like ours and he hasn't and for me that is down to him and his true ability only.
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Coyle, like Pellegrini, has no interest in devloping City's kids.

That's it.
 
Byrne has all the talent in the world. He went to play in the Dutch league last season and done well in a shit team over there and didnt look out of place. I wouldnt be shocked if Byrne would of said something to Coyle and has been punished for it as its only recently he has been back in the match day squad and on the subs bench. He just needs 1 chance to win back his place in the Rovers team and i fully expect he will. I also expect Coyle to be sacked and that might well help Byrne out sooner rather than later he cant afford to loose many more games were they are. Is he good enough for City now who knows needs to given a chance. This season so far has set him back I would of been happier seeing him playing in a european league again. Byrne will use this experience and move on. I fully expect him to go on and be playing in the football for a team in our league who knows if it will be for City or some other team. Look at our squad some players in the 30s need moving on in our midfield within the next 2 to 3 seasons. Someone has to replace them. Byrne took the chance to go out there and get the experience not stay and play under age football you got to respect that.
 
Byrne is a highly gifted player. A shocking loan at a shocking team with a shocking manager doesn't change that. No guarantee he'll make it at City, but he's definitely much fucking better than the card he's been dealt so far this season.
 
bluealf said:
Is this the Coyle that also ruined Boyata and Vlad Weiss ?

Proven form for fucking young players on loan.
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Yeah Weiss was mostly a sub for Bolton and Coyle played Boyata at RB for some mad reason, a position I can't remember him playing too often when he was in City's youth team.

Whose decision would it have been to send Byrne to Blackburn, would Txiki simply have rubber-stamped Davies's recommendation?
 
lancs blue said:
Yeah Weiss was mostly a sub for Bolton and Coyle played Boyata at RB for some mad reason, a position I can't remember him playing too often when he was in City's youth team.

Whose decision would it have been to send Byrne to Blackburn, would Txiki simply have rubber-stamped Davies's recommendation?
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I think it may have been partly down to the player himself, who wanted to continue playing regularly & thought he was about to become a regular in the full Ireland team.

Tbf, if he'd gone to the right club, I think he would have been. But what damage a season sat on his arse at Blackburn can do, to his development & state of mind, is anyones guess.

The problem with players like Byrne is that they rely on having intelligent football around them, if their game is to work, especially in English conditions. Someone like Ronaldo or Gerrard could fit into any football anywhere, but Byrne, Manu Garcia etc, they need players around them, on the same wavelength, or they are of no use to a team.

I think Byrne could have played now, in City's first team squad.
 
weather he would of played for City by now is anyones guess but look at him compared to those who has stayed he has experienced a lot that the lads his age has yet to experience. I wouldnt be shocked if there are clubs in the Dutch league who would be looking at his situation and willing to take him on for 6 months or so come January. I think this may be a option. Also feel if Blackburn keep going the way they are then they are going down or will sack Coyle and give a new manager January to try and get in some players or try with the players already at there club.
 
Shame for him, a complete waste of a season, at a crucial time in his development.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I think it may have been partly down to the player himself, who wanted to continue playing regularly & thought he was about to become a regular in the full Ireland team.

Tbf, if he'd gone to the right club, I think he would have been. But what damage a season sat on his arse at Blackburn can do, to his development & state of mind, is anyones guess.

The problem with players like Byrne is that they rely on having intelligent football around them, if their game is to work, especially in English conditions. Someone like Ronaldo or Gerrard could fit into any football anywhere, but Byrne, Manu Garcia etc, they need players around them, on the same wavelength, or they are of no use to a team.

I think Byrne could have played now, in City's first team squad.
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I think Manu is doing OK. He's not playing, no, but he's gotten back into the spain youth set up, and he seems to be enjoying the season and the challenge of fighting his way into that team. The experience might be good for him too, being at a club desperate to stay up and with players whose livelihoods depend on avoiding relegation- he's always struck me as one of the more sheltered youth players but that might be unfair. His social media activity certainly points towards him being content though.

Byrne on the other hand just needed a team to play football in, the kind of loan Mooy has had, and he'd have excelled. I don't know why we are allowing him to stay there, his development should be more important than any loan cancellation fee (can't be that big surely?)
 
bluealf said:
Is this the Coyle that also ruined Boyata and Vlad Weiss ?

Proven form for fucking young players on loan.
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Yeah exactly, just like he did to Jack Wilshere, Daniel Sturridge and Marcos Alonso, ruined their careers he did......
 
He should come back Jan 1st, train with Pep for a few weeks then head off to FC Twente (if they're up for it)
 
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