Jadon Sancho

[Neville Kneville]

Now it really is quality.

From the academy, which squad players do they keep out?

I don’t think Ilkaay, I don’t think Fabian etc etc would be overly pleased being left out of a match day squad to make way for a kid in the EDS. There is literally no space now.

When everyone is fit this current squad is quite ridiculous. There is no prayer for anyone in that EDS as it stands.

If none of them are good enough, then fair enough. But most in the current EDS are not yet 'knocking on the door' of the first team. We are seeing Foden & Diaz involved in the first team. Unfortunately, Diaz is probably too good to play 2nd fiddle to Foden, but not quite good enough to force his way in, so will probably leave unless he gets on the pitch more regularly.

That's what has happened to Angelino & Maffeo. Pep had a look at them & figured they are not quite what he wants.

I don't have a problem with that.

I do have a problem with the previous old twat, completely ignoring most of our young players in order to placate average older players & then throwing them to the wolves, when he did play them.

That's where our reputation has come from. He should have been handing Pep about ten older kids who had all been tried at Premier League level, for Pep to test out & decide on.

But 5 mins of Navas or Demichelis in midfield was more important & safe.

That's what we need to repair if we want the best kids to stay here & save us from paying 120 mil a shot for jouneymen squad fillers, once the rags have fucked up the market further, which they will.

 

[Rolee]

If none of them are good enough, then fair enough. But most in the current EDS are not yet 'knocking on the door' of the first team. We are seeing Foden & Diaz involved in the first team. Unfortunately, Diaz is probably too good to play 2nd fiddle to Foden, but not quite good enough to force his way in, so will probably leave unless he gets on the pitch more regularly.

That's what has happened to Angelino & Maffeo. Pep had a look at them & figured they are not quite what he wants.

I don't have a problem with that.

I do have a problem with the previous old twat, completely ignoring most of our young players in order to placate average older players & then throwing them to the wolves, when he did play them.

That's where our reputation has come from. He should have been handing Pep about ten older kids who had all been tried at Premier League level, for Pep to test out & decide on.

But 5 mins of Navas or Demichelis in midfield was more important & safe.

That's what we need to repair if we want the best kids to stay here & save us from paying 120 mil a shot for jouneymen squad fillers, once the rags have fucked up the market further, which they will.

Can you really blame Pellegrini though? What was his remit? It's not as if he was here for the long haul, he was just holding the fort until Pep came, he knew it, we knew it.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Can you really blame Pellegrini though? What was his remit? It's not as if he was here for the long haul, he was just holding the fort until Pep came, he knew it, we knew it.

Exactly,he wanted to achieve as much success as possible in his short tenure,who wouldn't? Untried kids didn't fit into that particular picture.

 

[twosips]

Exactly,he wanted to achieve as much success as possible in his short tenure,who wouldn't? Untried kids didn't fit into that particular picture.

It's part of being a manager. It's called good management, leaving a legacy etc. Would have done his rep no harm at all. Look at the credit Poch gets for playing the odd kid here and there. People rate him higher than Pellegrini, despite MP winning the league, so I guess it wasn't really worth giving Demichelis 10 mins every week in the end. If anything, there was a strong case to say he limited his own options and hampered himself tbh.

 

[Rolee]

It's part of being a manager. It's called good management, leaving a legacy etc. Would have done his rep no harm at all. Look at the credit Poch gets for playing the odd kid here and there. People rate him higher than Pellegrini, despite MP winning the league, so I guess it wasn't really worth giving Demichelis 10 mins every week in the end. If anything, there was a strong case to say he limited his own options and hampered himself tbh.

Poch knows he's there for the long haul though, surely that has to be taken into account?

It all depends on what Pellegrini's remit was imo, from the outside looking in it seems it was to change the way we play from Mancini's pragmatic style to a more attacking style to lay the groundwork for Pep, and keep us in CL..

 

[twosips]

Poch knows he's there for the long haul though, surely that has to be taken into account?

It all depends on what Pellegrini's remit was imo, from the outside looking in it seems it was to change the way we play from Mancini's pragmatic style to a more attacking style to lay the groundwork for Pep, and keep us in CL..

Given the chairman makes a huge, huge fuss about our academy at every opportunity, especially back then, i'm sure the remit wasn't 'don't play any kids, instead use Demichelis as an impact sub'... I reckon if anything the chairman might have actually supported the use of some kids to see if they were actually useful for Pep tbh. Building and all that. There was nowt to gain from treading water with Fernando, Navas, Demi and co.

 

[Rolee]

Given the chairman makes a huge, huge fuss about our academy at every opportunity, especially back then, i'm sure the remit wasn't 'don't play any kids, instead use Demichelis as an impact sub'... I reckon if anything the chairman might have actually supported the use of some kids to see if they were actually useful for Pep tbh. Building and all that. There was nowt to gain from treading water with Fernando, Navas, Demi and co.

Yep Khaldoon does seem to make a fuss about it but then on the other hand he sanctioned the sale of Lopes and Rekik during Pellegrini's tenure, if he was that fussed then surely he doesn't let that happen.

On Pellegrini and youth, it's not as if he hasn't, developed/nurtured youth in the past, Cazorla and Isco are the two best examples I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[FantasyIreland]

It's part of being a manager. It's called good management, leaving a legacy etc. Would have done his rep no harm at all. Look at the credit Poch gets for playing the odd kid here and there. People rate him higher than Pellegrini, despite MP winning the league, so I guess it wasn't really worth giving Demichelis 10 mins every week in the end. If anything, there was a strong case to say he limited his own options and hampered himself tbh.

He wasn't afforded the opportunity of building or leaving a legacy as he was under instruction to simply keep the seat warm.I see where you're coming from but I believe Pellegrini just took the chance to win trophies.
Back to Sancho,confirmation from Dortmund that we have first refusal.

 

[Centurions]

He wasn't afforded the opportunity of building or leaving a legacy as he was under instruction to simply keep the seat warm.I see where you're coming from but I believe Pellegrini just took the chance to win trophies.
Back to Sancho,confirmation from Dortmund that we have first refusal.

Not strictly first refusal but we are kept appraised of the highest bid if we wished to match it, it'd be up to the player then. Or at least that's the way I read it.



Edit: I've just realised that I'm not 100% clear on what 'first refusal' actually means in a football transfer.

 

[Tom_mcfc]

It's part of being a manager. It's called good management, leaving a legacy etc. Would have done his rep no harm at all. Look at the credit Poch gets for playing the odd kid here and there. People rate him higher than Pellegrini, despite MP winning the league, so I guess it wasn't really worth giving Demichelis 10 mins every week in the end. If anything, there was a strong case to say he limited his own options and hampered himself tbh.

Proper bollocks that. Pellers knew his time with us would be brief until we got the man we actually wanted. Why on earth would he risk his own legacy for his short stint. He had a budget too unlike Poch. Poch is in it for the long haul, he has to work with youngsters because they won’t buy players the way we do. I’d rather Dmac got ten minutes here and there over a kid like Boyata etc. If they are good enough then by all means but the fact none of the kids during his time with us are doing much now suggests they wasn’t our level. Plus he brought Nacho through.

 

[schfc6]

It's part of being a manager. It's called good management, leaving a legacy etc. Would have done his rep no harm at all. Look at the credit Poch gets for playing the odd kid here and there. People rate him higher than Pellegrini, despite MP winning the league, so I guess it wasn't really worth giving Demichelis 10 mins every week in the end. If anything, there was a strong case to say he limited his own options and hampered himself tbh.

Was that Pellegrini though? He showed at Malaga he was happy to blood youngsters.

Now at West Ham, he’s building his side round Rice & Diangana. I watched them vs Burnley, they were both excellent.

I fully agree, it’s often frustrating when senior players get what seem like pointless minutes. But as most managers including Pep seem to constantly do it.
There must be a reason why, my money is on squad harmony.

We may think 10 minutes for Denichellis or Kompany is pointless, but I doubt they or the squad do. Not to mention, the fact that the older players need to keep up to speed and 15/20 minutes may be key to that for all we know.

 

[ancoats]

its daft and a agents dream to have a match it the biggest offer with a buyback clause

the people behind sancho are laughing at manchester city and are doing everything to rub our noses in it, and now this comes up and again we all know whats coming next, and its the pogba going back to united all over again but this time its 100% worst because its manchester city, also the agent will cook up some sort of fake deal to somebody like barca and say they are willing to pay £100million now man city have the match it deal and first option if they want him back ???

i don't know about any youth player making this much noise in moving club on his own terms (he wanted out) and why have manchester city been dragged in the mud in the media, manchester city never once said we did not want to keep sancho and manchester city never shown him the door, it was sancho and his people demanding something the club never offer anybody from the youth and its game time at 17 years old ?? you have to earn it and work very hard to take a place of somebody from the first team squad, the worst thing you can do is demand a place, even seasons pro's get shown the door if they demand first team football

 

[CityStu]

its daft and a agents dream to have a match it the biggest offer with a buyback clause

the people behind sancho are laughing at manchester city and are doing everything to rub our noses in it, and now this comes up and again we all know whats coming next, and its the pogba going back to united all over again but this time its 100% worst because its manchester city, also the agent will cook up some sort of fake deal to somebody like barca and say they are willing to pay £100million now man city have the match it deal and first option if they want him back ???

i don't know about any youth player making this much noise in moving club on his own terms (he wanted out) and why have manchester city been dragged in the mud in the media, manchester city never once said we did not want to keep sancho and manchester city never shown him the door, it was sancho and his people demanding something the club never offer anybody from the youth and its game time at 17 years old ?? you have to earn it and work very hard to take a place of somebody from the first team squad, the worst thing you can do is demand a place, even seasons pro's get shown the door if they demand first team football

You are imagining everything

 

[Newman Noggs]

its daft and a agents dream to have a match it the biggest offer with a buyback clause

the people behind sancho are laughing at manchester city and are doing everything to rub our noses in it, and now this comes up and again we all know whats coming next, and its the pogba going back to united all over again but this time its 100% worst because its manchester city, also the agent will cook up some sort of fake deal to somebody like barca and say they are willing to pay £100million now man city have the match it deal and first option if they want him back ???

I'd have thought it worked the other way. Other clubs know they have to put in a ridiculously high bid to make it not worth our while matching it. So they are either priced out of bidding or take a huge hit. I like it.

As for fake bids, we can call that bluff pretty easily.

 

[Rolee]

I'd have thought it worked the other way. Other clubs know they have to put in a ridiculously high bid to make it not worth our while matching it. So they are either priced out of bidding or take a huge hit. I like it.

As for fake bids, we can call that bluff pretty easily.

I'm assuming if we do have this rumoured 15% sell on clause that if we match the highest bid we will then get a 15% discount?

 

[ancoats]

I'd have thought it worked the other way. Other clubs know they have to put in a ridiculously high bid to make it not worth our while matching it. So they are either priced out of bidding or take a huge hit. I like it.

As for fake bids, we can call that bluff pretty easily.

for me anyway the agents will work there magic and somebody going to pay daft amounts of money for him i just hope its not city

 

[ancoats]

I'm assuming if we do have this rumoured 15% sell on clause that if we match the highest bid we will then get a 15% discount?

why would he come back to city anyway when he walked out and why would city want him back after the shit

 

[FantasyIreland]

I'm assuming if we do have this rumoured 15% sell on clause that if we match the highest bid we will then get a 15% discount?

I wonder if people read what has been said previously.Reliable people have stated there is no sell on clause,only a first refusal option.Essentially that means we will be afforded the opportunity to match any future bid.Im not sure how the players preference works in such a scenario.

 

[Rolee]

I wonder if people read what has been said previously.Reliable people have stated there is no sell on clause,only a first refusal option.Essentially that means we will be afforded the opportunity to match any future bid.Im not sure how the players preference works in such a scenario.

Who's reliable mate?

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

It id Dickson Etuhu and Daniel Sturridge all over again....