James Milner

dctid said:
got only something like 11 prem starts

he is better than that had a couple of poor games but for me done well when selected.

A more intelligent manager would have have given him more game time

He started 9 PL games this season. Was a sub many more times so he is involved, but mostly as a sub.

Its pretty sure he wont be used more than this next season, especially if a new att. midfielder/winger type player will come in (like Muniain or someone else).
 
Criminally under-utilised.

Should start the big games away from home instead of Nasri on the left, would be more effective than Garcia/Rodwell/Demichelis et al when either Yaya/Fernadinho are injured, in the centre.

Don't understand why Pellegrini doesn't seem to rate him.
 
GStar said:
Criminally under-utilised.

Should start the big games away from home instead of Nasri on the left, would be more effective than Garcia/Rodwell/Demichelis et al when either Yaya/Fernadinho are injured, in the centre.

Don't understand why Pellegrini doesn't seem to rate him.

Maybe what goes on in training isn't what he wants to see. I doubt it with Milner though as I would expect him to be just as committed.

Maybe it's more to do with our win percentage when Milner starts which I believe isn't great.
 
GStar said:
Criminally under-utilised.

Should start the big games away from home instead of Nasri on the left, would be more effective than Garcia/Rodwell/Demichelis et al when either Yaya/Fernadinho are injured, in the centre.

Don't understand why Pellegrini doesn't seem to rate him.

Perhaps he understands his limitations
 
grim up north said:
GStar said:
Criminally under-utilised.

Should start the big games away from home instead of Nasri on the left, would be more effective than Garcia/Rodwell/Demichelis et al when either Yaya/Fernadinho are injured, in the centre.

Don't understand why Pellegrini doesn't seem to rate him.

Perhaps he understands his limitations

Or takes him for granted
 
karen7 said:
grim up north said:
GStar said:
Criminally under-utilised.

Should start the big games away from home instead of Nasri on the left, would be more effective than Garcia/Rodwell/Demichelis et al when either Yaya/Fernadinho are injured, in the centre.

Don't understand why Pellegrini doesn't seem to rate him.

Perhaps he understands his limitations

Or takes him for granted

Really he watches him everyday
 
grim up north said:
karen7 said:
grim up north said:
Perhaps he understands his limitations

Or takes him for granted

Really he watches him everyday

I haven't seen any reason to limit his playing time, every time he plays he leaves the pitch as one of the most influential. Perhaps our management team too have limitations - persisting with 442, not being able to adapt, not being able to get the players out of first gear, not being able to do basic maths, etc ;)
 
We've averaged twice as many goals when he doesn't start and almost a point more per game, so I'm not sure he really has been underused
 
Unfair to judge him solely on his performance against Sunderland.

Milner playing with Silva, making runs off David while he's in possession and exchanging passes intelligently, is a whole other animal to the Milner who is expected to fulfil the Navas role and beat a fullback to get an early cross in.

Milner still has a place in this squad.
 
GStar said:
BigOscar said:
We've averaged twice as many goals when he doesn't start and almost a point more per game, so I'm not sure he really has been underused

I don't think it's fair to presume that's down to Milner, those stats will also be skewed by our early season home goal-fests.
Not for a second do I hold Milner solely responsible for those stats, but it is hard to look at the teams performance in the majority of the games which he has started and make much of a case for the team being better for him being in it
 
grim up north said:
stonerblue said:
Shaelumstash said:
This is the most insightful post on the thread. My pal said exactly the sane thing to me during the game last night, and you're both absolutely bang on.

Who are these 'technically better players' then?

Is that a serious question?

Yes.
Leave out Merlin and Fern but any of the others you can have.<br /><br />-- Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:54 am --<br /><br />
Chippy_boy said:
grim up north said:
stonerblue said:
Who are these 'technically better players' then?

Is that a serious question?

I laughed at that. I mean, who is NOT technically better? Lescott? Kolarov, possibly. /End of list.

I like Jimmie for his professionalism, commitment, workrate. He's a decent utility player who can be very good on his day. But he his a bit of a donkey tbf.

And he had an absolute stinker on Sunday. Truly truly awful. Shockingly awful.

OK chippy boy, describe what constitutes 'technically better' then name a player.
 
grim up north said:
BlueAnorak said:
john@staustell said:
I was in the give-Milner-a-start camp up to weds. He was truly dreadful and maybe sometimes the manager knows best?

He was fecking better than way over half the rest of the team.
In hind sight I'd have played Milner & Garcia as the 2 DMs with Fern, Nasri and Navas as a 3.
Negrado & Aguero was like playing with 10 men - both are clearly not fully fit.
Then again Navas wasn't fully fit either so perhaps Jovetic.


No mate he was the worst out field player on the pitch

How about some stats to back up that outrageous claim?
 
BigOscar said:
GStar said:
BigOscar said:
We've averaged twice as many goals when he doesn't start and almost a point more per game, so I'm not sure he really has been underused

I don't think it's fair to presume that's down to Milner, those stats will also be skewed by our early season home goal-fests.
Not for a second do I hold Milner solely responsible for those stats, but it is hard to look at the teams performance in the majority of the games which he has started and make much of a case for the team being better for him being in it

He normally only gets to start when the teams completely knackered or hit with loads of injuries to key players.
 
lasereyes said:
grim up north said:
BlueAnorak said:
He was fecking better than way over half the rest of the team.
In hind sight I'd have played Milner & Garcia as the 2 DMs with Fern, Nasri and Navas as a 3.
Negrado & Aguero was like playing with 10 men - both are clearly not fully fit.
Then again Navas wasn't fully fit either so perhaps Jovetic.


No mate he was the worst out field player on the pitch

How about some stats to back up that outrageous claim?

Dont need stats.Anyone who was at the game will confirm it !!
 
oakiecokie said:
lasereyes said:
grim up north said:
No mate he was the worst out field player on the pitch

How about some stats to back up that outrageous claim?

Dont need stats.Anyone who was at the game will confirm it !!

Most of the team was terrible. To pick an obvious example - Milner worse than Hart who let in a goal 1-on-1 at his near post?

"Don't need stats" => I have my bias and don't bother with stats
 

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