January transfer/its quiet Thread

[lee_wsm]

Why would we risk not strengthening to help chance of winning champs league for 20-30 mill

 

[Neville Kneville]

Nah! We resigned him early. So it had little to do with not getting who we wanted. We didn't try coz we resigned him.

We signed fullbacks then chased Sanchez & Mbappe instead of trying to replace Yaya or signing a cb.

 

[blueparrot]

Why would we risk not strengthening to help chance of winning champs league for 20-30 mill

We wouldn't strengthen the squad for just this seasons champions league. We are almost at a stage when the squad is ready to compete for the next few years, except for maybe 3 positions,CB, CM and another front 3 player, so we won't clog it up with players for just to cover the rest of this season.
That said I don't think either of Sanchez or Martinez are short term fixes and if we got them now we would only need 2 players in the summer.

 

[BlueDeadHead]

It was in response to someone talking about going after Spurs' best defender. I just made the point that he was better and younger. I do not think either are realistic targets due to various factors.

Why don't you think Toby is realistic?

 

[Marvin]

'Top quality' and 'World class player'. Easy to state, but his performances at Arsenal do not suggest that he would improve our squad in anything but numbers and reputation. He is 12th in league goal-scoring charts and 42nd in the assists charts. I think you are mistaken if you think it's down to attitude. I watched the Arsenal v Chelsea game last night and he ran himself into the ground, so much so that he scarcely touched the ball in the 2nd half. He had a good 1st half, and a poor 2nd.

He was world class by any definition. But players can slide quickly. And he is. Thankfully we have less than 4 weeks to see what Pep will do. Setting aside the pros and cons, the fact that we do not have an agreement in place with Arsenal suggests to me he is not going anywhere this window. Southampton did not want to sell VVD in the Summer, but Liverpool obviously worked at it over the Summer, and the deal was in place. If we had a serious intention to bring him here, I think a deal would be done, and Arsenal would have had a deal in place. Obviously still plenty of time for things to change, but the fact that this is an old target suggests to me that some people are barking up the wrong tree.

Why would we risk not strengthening to help chance of winning champs league for 20-30 mill

That's a loaded question. Clearly if he would significantly strengthen the squad we would try and do it. The more basic questions are would he significantly strengthen the squad, and will Arsenal sell? Both are matters of opinion. Arsenal had no intention of selling in the Summer, because they did nothing about it until the last day and once again there's no sign of an incoming Arsenal player to replace him. If you see Arsenal agreeing a deal with Mahrez or Lemar etc, then I'd say that they are preparing to sell him.

We're 20 odd points above Arsenal. Logically, at the age of 29, he should be having an absolutely amazing season for us to consider him. He isn't, therefore the enthusiasm to sign him seems misplaced to me. At bayern, Pep signed Alonso. He was an old player, but an old player in his prime whose game, passing, was not going to be affected significantly by age (Gaz Baz). The argument for signing him is restricted to a short term possibility that we may never have an opportunity to win a domestic treble again and Sanchez may help us to do that. An extra pair of legs would help now, but even so I don't think he is enough of a match-winner or an outstanding player that justifies 3 years in our squad at the expense of alternatives in our youth team, and unidentified players in the future. For me players like Maitland-Niles, Ozil, Wilshere are more important for Arsenal. He's not even the best player at Arsenal any more and yet some City fans are convinced he's a vital piece of our jigsaw?

 

[Tarzan41]

They have always said April, don't know whether he is ahead or behind schedule with his recovery, if he was ahead maybe they would include him for c/l quarter / semi time , if he's still looking at late April , then probably leave him out. Don't know not heard any news on him for a while.

Edit just read in the Martinez thread only 1 of Martinez and Sanchez can be included in the C/L squad so that maybe changes things a bit.

Leave Kompany out seems the obvious answer

 

[mosssideblue]

'Top quality' and 'World class player'. Easy to state, but his performances at Arsenal do not suggest that he would improve our squad in anything but numbers and reputation. He is 12th in league goal-scoring charts and 42nd in the assists charts. I think you are mistaken if you think it's down to attitude. I watched the Arsenal v Chelsea game last night and he ran himself into the ground, so much so that he scarcely touched the ball in the 2nd half. He had a good 1st half, and a poor 2nd.

He was world class by any definition. But players can slide quickly. And he is. Thankfully we have less than 4 weeks to see what Pep will do. Setting aside the pros and cons, the fact that we do not have an agreement in place with Arsenal suggests to me he is not going anywhere this window. Southampton did not want to sell VVD in the Summer, but Liverpool obviously worked at it over the Summer, and the deal was in place. If we had a serious intention to bring him here, I think a deal would be done, and Arsenal would have had a deal in place. Obviously still plenty of time for things to change, but the fact that this is an old target suggests to me that some people are barking up the wrong tree.

That's a loaded question. Clearly if he would significantly strengthen the squad we would try and do it. The more basic questions are would he significantly strengthen the squad, and will Arsenal sell? Both are matters of opinion. Arsenal had no intention of selling in the Summer, because they did nothing about it until the last day and once again there's no sign of an incoming Arsenal player to replace him. If you see Arsenal agreeing a deal with Mahrez or Lemar etc, then I'd say that they are preparing to sell him.

We're 20 odd points above Arsenal. Logically, at the age of 29, he should be having an absolutely amazing season for us to consider him. He isn't, therefore the enthusiasm to sign him seems misplaced to me. At bayern, Pep signed Alonso. He was an old player, but an old player in his prime whose game, passing, was not going to be affected significantly by age (Gaz Baz). The argument for signing him is restricted to a short term possibility that we may never have an opportunity to win a domestic treble again and Sanchez may help us to do that. An extra pair of legs would help now, but even so I don't think he is enough of a match-winner or an outstanding player that justifies 3 years in our squad at the expense of alternatives in our youth team, and unidentified players in the future. For me players like Maitland-Niles, Ozil, Wilshere are more important for Arsenal. He's not even the best player at Arsenal any more and yet some City fans are convinced he's a vital piece of our jigsaw?

Fair points Marv but I would suggest you are speculating about us not having anything in place with Arsenal - true?

 

[supercity88]

Why don't you think Toby is realistic?

Because of Levy and us weighing up his age against our budget.

 

[blueparrot]

Leave Kompany out seems the obvious answer

From the outside I can see that, but from a squad and player morale side it's much more difficult to do, I think it's a decision that would need to be taken with Vinnie himself .

 

[meeesh]

'Top quality' and 'World class player'. Easy to state, but his performances at Arsenal do not suggest that he would improve our squad in anything but numbers and reputation. He is 12th in league goal-scoring charts and 42nd in the assists charts. I think you are mistaken if you think it's down to attitude. I watched the Arsenal v Chelsea game last night and he ran himself into the ground, so much so that he scarcely touched the ball in the 2nd half. He had a good 1st half, and a poor 2nd.

He was world class by any definition. But players can slide quickly. And he is. Thankfully we have less than 4 weeks to see what Pep will do. Setting aside the pros and cons, the fact that we do not have an agreement in place with Arsenal suggests to me he is not going anywhere this window. Southampton did not want to sell VVD in the Summer, but Liverpool obviously worked at it over the Summer, and the deal was in place. If we had a serious intention to bring him here, I think a deal would be done, and Arsenal would have had a deal in place. Obviously still plenty of time for things to change, but the fact that this is an old target suggests to me that some people are barking up the wrong tree.

That's a loaded question. Clearly if he would significantly strengthen the squad we would try and do it. The more basic questions are would he significantly strengthen the squad, and will Arsenal sell? Both are matters of opinion. Arsenal had no intention of selling in the Summer, because they did nothing about it until the last day and once again there's no sign of an incoming Arsenal player to replace him. If you see Arsenal agreeing a deal with Mahrez or Lemar etc, then I'd say that they are preparing to sell him.

We're 20 odd points above Arsenal. Logically, at the age of 29, he should be having an absolutely amazing season for us to consider him. He isn't, therefore the enthusiasm to sign him seems misplaced to me. At bayern, Pep signed Alonso. He was an old player, but an old player in his prime whose game, passing, was not going to be affected significantly by age (Gaz Baz). The argument for signing him is restricted to a short term possibility that we may never have an opportunity to win a domestic treble again and Sanchez may help us to do that. An extra pair of legs would help now, but even so I don't think he is enough of a match-winner or an outstanding player that justifies 3 years in our squad at the expense of alternatives in our youth team, and unidentified players in the future. For me players like Maitland-Niles, Ozil, Wilshere are more important for Arsenal. He's not even the best player at Arsenal any more and yet some City fans are convinced he's a vital piece of our jigsaw?

Probably down to the fact he does not want to be at Arsenal is the shortest answer to your in depth analysis,have you thought that for a sec with regards to the poor form or not improving us scenario ?