Jarrad Branthwaite

mattcity5 said:
He's definitely playing differently under Moyes to how he did under Dyche, which is probably no surprise. He's carrying the ball out more and playing more progressive passes. Before, he only had to bother about defending.

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While this is promising, it doesn't mean he's good enough at it for City. Or that he isn't, to be fair. However, the way he's playing now is more
Maguire under Ten Hag, than Stones under Pep. In fact, Maguire's stats look more impressive, and we wouldn't want him, so....

It's a big ask to go from doing what Branthwaite currently does to what Stones does (when he plays). A huge ask in fact. Which is probably why Pep seems more keen to keep the defenders he knows, or to integrate players younger and cheaper than Branthwaite would be.


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Surely the fact that the same player under two different managers gets such vastly different results shows you how useless these stats are in actually determining the quality of a player though. Defensive actions is a measure of how often you have to defend, not how good you are at it. Progressive passes means how often you hoof it, which is a tactical choice. And John Stones is winning only 0.9% of his duels? Forgive me if I don't believe that it takes Stones 100 attempts to win a single 50/50 challenge. Maybe I've misunderstood how that works, but it seems like that's the claim.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Surely the fact that the same player under two different managers gets such vastly different results shows you how useless these stats are in actually determining the quality of a player though. Defensive actions is a measure of how often you have to defend, not how good you are at it. Progressive passes means how often you hoof it, which is a tactical choice. And John Stones is winning only 0.9% of his duels? Forgive me if I don't believe that it takes Stones 100 attempts to win a single 50/50 challenge. Maybe I've misunderstood how that works, but it seems like that's the claim.
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Not useless, you just need to be sure to apply context. You have to work out what is down to the player and what is down to the tactics - there will definitely be some overlap there. It's why picking the right player for a system isn't a certainty.

The Stones stat... It's all about percentiles. So if he's showing as 0.9% there it means that 99.1% of centrebacks in the top 5 leagues (I think), have won more duels than him.

Of course, a lot of this is down to our playing style and by keeping the ball, he ends up having less duels per 90mins than players for other teams.
 
save the cash and give a punt at Callum Doyle, JSP or Max Alleyne

also looks like Branthwaite has potential to miss big chunks of the future seasons
 
WallyA said:
I'm giving you the facts, your the one talking shite.

23 is old enough to know if a professional footballer can pass the ball well.

He is a poor passer, why on earth would any City fan want him when he is so antithetical to our style is beyond me.
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Fact Everton do not pass the ball out of the back, Fact there is a dramatic rise in points when he is in the team, now if you want to point out his failings try pace, which is about the same as Gvardiol but better than Ake, Stones and Dias as they are now.
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
You’re absolutely right that teams targeted the left side of our defence, and that’s a problem that needs addressing.

But my solution would be to sign an actual left back (something the club seeks to have a real blind spot over) rather than signing another left footed centre back - when we already have one of the best young left footed CB’s in the world in our team.

A player we insist on playing out of position at left back, which only exacerbates our problems on that side of the pitch.

It’s no coincidence we started to look a lot tighter at the back when Gvardiol moved back inside.

That’s the solution for me - play Gvardiol in his best position, and bring in an actual left back - not buy another left footed centre back when we’ve got one of the best in the world already.
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That is about right, i get the feeling that the negativity towards this player, stems on protection for Gvardiol, who in my opinion is an awful LB and a slow burner as LCB. But it should not the Player can use both feet well, so all positions are under pressure for minutes, Gvardiols being the safest.
 
A few Toffees on X, are a bit glum as it is, but there seems to be a feeling with Branthwaites."injury" that it might just be a late sale in the window to us. Obviously we might have bargaining tools but they come with high wages. Looks like our homegrown quota might be helped with either him or Livramento.
 
Manchester1894 said:
A few Toffees on X, are a bit glum as it is, but there seems to be a feeling with Branthwaites."injury" that it might just be a late sale in the window to us. Obviously we might have bargaining tools but they come with high wages. Looks like our homegrown quota might be helped with either him or Livramento.
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didn't know we had been linked to him
 
mattcity5 said:
He's definitely playing differently under Moyes to how he did under Dyche, which is probably no surprise. He's carrying the ball out more and playing more progressive passes. Before, he only had to bother about defending.

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While this is promising, it doesn't mean he's good enough at it for City. Or that he isn't, to be fair. However, the way he's playing now is more
Maguire under Ten Hag, than Stones under Pep. In fact, Maguire's stats look more impressive, and we wouldn't want him, so....

It's a big ask to go from doing what Branthwaite currently does to what Stones does (when he plays). A huge ask in fact. Which is probably why Pep seems more keen to keep the defenders he knows, or to integrate players younger and cheaper than Branthwaite would be.


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You give off very strong ‘football manager’ vibes with that post. No offence meant. Great to see it from an analysts point of view.
 
Manchester1894 said:
A few Toffees on X, are a bit glum as it is, but there seems to be a feeling with Branthwaites."injury" that it might just be a late sale in the window to us. Obviously we might have bargaining tools but they come with high wages. Looks like our homegrown quota might be helped with either him or Livramento.
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He could become a very good player, I really like him.
 
Skrastins said:
save the cash and give a punt at Callum Doyle, JSP or Max Alleyne

also looks like Branthwaite has potential to miss big chunks of the future seasons
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His injury record really isn’t as bad as some people make out.

But I agree I’d rather give a punt to those as I’m not sure he’s good enough. Guehi is the better English CB that is attainable.

But we don’t need.
 
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