Eh? Even though, as I said, Pantillimon does it well and there are players actually in space ready and wanting for the pass. There is no "ignoring the wishes of the management", it's something he needs to improve on.forevermancity said:KippaxCitizen said:When he runs to the edge of the box there are players waving their arms in the air and he very rarely if ever releases it quickly. That's one thing I really liked about Pantillimon and he is superior to Joe with it. With our fast paced attacking play it is essential that we have a quick release of the ball from the 'keeper and Joe holds on too long too often (did it today and Boxing Day).forevermancity said:Improve massively? How?
His decision making can be very indecisive, causing us problems. Even the other day he should have walked out and claimed that ball over the top where Lescott was backtracking and Liverpool nearly scored (was actually a save by Joe in the end but the whole situation could have been avoided had he just collected the ball over the top.
Conversely, he sometimes comes charging out of his box and not dealing with it a situation. Goals have been scored from instances such as Blackburn at home a few years ago, playing for England with the Ibrahimovic overhead kick, for the Chelsea goal this season and even recently when playing g for England when he took out Smalling and didn't deal with the ball.
His distribution can be inconsistent. Especially kicks out of hand. Against Plzen and today he kicked a fair few out over our players heads for an opposition throw-in.
He's always been a great shot stopper, and even when he was struggling with making big mistakes he was still making good saves.
But there's a long way to go for Joe in my opinion.
One of the reasons you cite is because he keeps hold of the ball too long.
Do you want him to ignore the wishes of the management for him to delay distributions on the occasions that certain players aren't in position, just to please you?
You list other examples of why he needs to improve, but these are all before being rested in which he has been nurtured/coached and mentored. How do you know he hasn't improved on there aspects?
Fair enough if you said he needs to improve, because everyone can, but massively is doing him a huge disservice.
Whereas I would agree with you that his distribution has never been the best, I think it is unlikely to improve. It's to do with how quickly he is able to assess situations and the truth is he isn't that quick. Same applies to commanding the 6 yd box on high balls. He never has done this particularly well and will never do.KippaxCitizen said:Eh? Even though, as I said, Pantillimon does it well and there are players actually in space ready and wanting for the pass. There is no "ignoring the wishes of the management", it's something he needs to improve on.forevermancity said:KippaxCitizen said:When he runs to the edge of the box there are players waving their arms in the air and he very rarely if ever releases it quickly. That's one thing I really liked about Pantillimon and he is superior to Joe with it. With our fast paced attacking play it is essential that we have a quick release of the ball from the 'keeper and Joe holds on too long too often (did it today and Boxing Day).
His decision making can be very indecisive, causing us problems. Even the other day he should have walked out and claimed that ball over the top where Lescott was backtracking and Liverpool nearly scored (was actually a save by Joe in the end but the whole situation could have been avoided had he just collected the ball over the top.
Conversely, he sometimes comes charging out of his box and not dealing with it a situation. Goals have been scored from instances such as Blackburn at home a few years ago, playing for England with the Ibrahimovic overhead kick, for the Chelsea goal this season and even recently when playing g for England when he took out Smalling and didn't deal with the ball.
His distribution can be inconsistent. Especially kicks out of hand. Against Plzen and today he kicked a fair few out over our players heads for an opposition throw-in.
He's always been a great shot stopper, and even when he was struggling with making big mistakes he was still making good saves.
But there's a long way to go for Joe in my opinion.
One of the reasons you cite is because he keeps hold of the ball too long.
Do you want him to ignore the wishes of the management for him to delay distributions on the occasions that certain players aren't in position, just to please you?
You list other examples of why he needs to improve, but these are all before being rested in which he has been nurtured/coached and mentored. How do you know he hasn't improved on there aspects?
Fair enough if you said he needs to improve, because everyone can, but massively is doing him a huge disservice.
He nearly did today and we'd still give a fuck no matter what. Where are you by the way?Thenumber1blue said:I agree with you tiggsywiggsywoo and if hart looked like Peter Beardsley,no one would give a fuck !tiggsywiggsywoo said:Oils said:Why do u think that?
Hart is suspect with corners, decisions on when to leave his line and distribution. Ok he may be working on it, I dont see anything in Pants game that deserved dropping him. Also I dont agree there should be automatic No1 positions. I respect everyones opinion on the forum, this is just mine.
jimharri said:No sign of Mr Sullenberger on here tonight?
Hart of the matter said:Big change in JH attitude. Watch tunnel Cam and he no longer jokes and plays up to the Cam. He is more serious and focussed. When he comes on the pitch he no longer smiles and laughs, once again he is more focussed. Always believed his joviality ( Remember RK calling him cocky?) was a strength that allowed him to put mistakes behind him and bounce back. New attitude will be tested when he does make a howler.
Great couple of games back. Lomg may it continue.