Joe Hart (continued)

[Blueband Brother]

Competition is always good in this kind of situation by Hart is certainly the No 1 going into the new season.

 

[Lavinda Past]

Joe's ego won't take it? I must have missed the part where his supposedly big ego showed when he got dropped for pants last season. Oh wait he just got his head down and worked harder in training and won his place back like the professional he is. Stop chatting bollocks.

We'll see...

One of the main reasons Joe 'won' his place back last season was the media outcry over 'England's No 1 goalkeeper' being benched during the season prior to the World Cup. He may well have"got his head down and worked harder in training", but that suggests that he was not working hard enough beforehand... Not exactly the sort of 'professional' approach I'd expect from our first choice keeper.

Don't get me wrong; I do like Joe Hart - I simply don't rate him as highly as some on here, and don't think he's the best we could have... Mancini apparently had Begovic lined up and was (allegedly) going to get rid of Hart. Pellegrini has had a full season working with him and will have formed an opinion - If he has concluded that Joe Hart is 'the best', why is he spending 6 million or so on Caballero? Do you think Bergeristan and Co would be OK with spending that much on a reserve keeper? There are plenty of very good benchwarmers out there - Why wouldn't they save money and get a cheap Brit?

If you honestly believe that Willy is only coming to 'put pressure on Hart', then you need to give your head a wobble.

As for Joe's ego... I think you'll find that he has been a big influence in the dressing room...maybe a bit too big for certain players and coaching staff. I suspect he's going to be brought down a peg (or two) - He / his agent probably won't like that very much.

We'll see...

One of the main reasons was the media outcry??? So you believe Pellegrini is that weak willed? Wind it in!

I said 'one' of the main reasons. The media outcry didn't do any good for City, Pellegrini, or Costel Pantilimon. There was an inevitability about Joe Hart's early return - Costel hadn't made many errors in the games he played (certainly not as many as Joe had up to being dropped), but you always knew he was soon going to be back on the bench after the English press threw their toys out of the pram.

I fully expect that Joe improved in training and probably 'got his act together'. That being the case, Pellegrini was right to recall him. My point here is that Joe Hart very clearly lost concentration in games last season and started to make silly mistakes - He deserved to be dropped, but Pantilimon didn't.

Whether or not Pellegrini was 'influenced' to recall Joe, we may never know - I certainly don't get the impression that he's a 'tough' manager... at the end of the day, he'll do what he's told by his bosses. That's why I believe Willy Caballero is going to be our number one keeper at some point (probably quite early on) next season. He's obviously Pellegrini's choice, backed up by Bergeristan etc.

We'll see...

 

[Rolee]

We'll see...

One of the main reasons Joe 'won' his place back last season was the media outcry over 'England's No 1 goalkeeper' being benched during the season prior to the World Cup. He may well have"got his head down and worked harder in training", but that suggests that he was not working hard enough beforehand... Not exactly the sort of 'professional' approach I'd expect from our first choice keeper.

Don't get me wrong; I do like Joe Hart - I simply don't rate him as highly as some on here, and don't think he's the best we could have... Mancini apparently had Begovic lined up and was (allegedly) going to get rid of Hart. Pellegrini has had a full season working with him and will have formed an opinion - If he has concluded that Joe Hart is 'the best', why is he spending 6 million or so on Caballero? Do you think Bergeristan and Co would be OK with spending that much on a reserve keeper? There are plenty of very good benchwarmers out there - Why wouldn't they save money and get a cheap Brit?

If you honestly believe that Willy is only coming to 'put pressure on Hart', then you need to give your head a wobble.

As for Joe's ego... I think you'll find that he has been a big influence in the dressing room...maybe a bit too big for certain players and coaching staff. I suspect he's going to be brought down a peg (or two) - He / his agent probably won't like that very much.

We'll see...

One of the main reasons was the media outcry??? So you believe Pellegrini is that weak willed? Wind it in!

I said 'one' of the main reasons. The media outcry didn't do any good for City, Pellegrini, or Costel Pantilimon. There was an inevitability about Joe Hart's early return - Costel hadn't made many errors in the games he played (certainly not as many as Joe had up to being dropped), but you always knew he was soon going to be back on the bench after the English press threw their toys out of the pram.

I fully expect that Joe improved in training and probably 'got his act together'. That being the case, Pellegrini was right to recall him. My point here is that Joe Hart very clearly lost concentration in games last season and started to make silly mistakes - He deserved to be dropped, but Pantilimon didn't.

Whether or not Pellegrini was 'influenced' to recall Joe, we may never know - I certainly don't get the impression that he's a 'tough' manager... at the end of the day, he'll do what he's told by his bosses. That's why I believe Willy Caballero is going to be our number one keeper at some point (probably quite early on) next season. He's obviously Pellegrini's choice, backed up by Bergeristan etc.

We'll see...

You really didn't need to waffle on as the only point I was making is that you're talking bollox when you suggest that Pellegrini would be influenced on whether to pick Hart or not based on media outcry.

 

[Lavinda Past]

One of the main reasons was the media outcry??? So you believe Pellegrini is that weak willed? Wind it in!

I said 'one' of the main reasons. The media outcry didn't do any good for City, Pellegrini, or Costel Pantilimon. There was an inevitability about Joe Hart's early return - Costel hadn't made many errors in the games he played (certainly not as many as Joe had up to being dropped), but you always knew he was soon going to be back on the bench after the English press threw their toys out of the pram.

I fully expect that Joe improved in training and probably 'got his act together'. That being the case, Pellegrini was right to recall him. My point here is that Joe Hart very clearly lost concentration in games last season and started to make silly mistakes - He deserved to be dropped, but Pantilimon didn't.

Whether or not Pellegrini was 'influenced' to recall Joe, we may never know - I certainly don't get the impression that he's a 'tough' manager... at the end of the day, he'll do what he's told by his bosses. That's why I believe Willy Caballero is going to be our number one keeper at some point (probably quite early on) next season. He's obviously Pellegrini's choice, backed up by Bergeristan etc.

We'll see...

You really didn't need to waffle on as the only point I was making is that you're talking bollox when you suggest that Pellegrini would be influenced on whether to pick Hart or not based on media outcry.

Pellegrini will do what he's told by his bosses / sponsors. Just like Woy with rughead in the World Cup. The media has more power than you realise - City don't want bad press.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

I said 'one' of the main reasons. The media outcry didn't do any good for City, Pellegrini, or Costel Pantilimon. There was an inevitability about Joe Hart's early return - Costel hadn't made many errors in the games he played (certainly not as many as Joe had up to being dropped), but you always knew he was soon going to be back on the bench after the English press threw their toys out of the pram.

I fully expect that Joe improved in training and probably 'got his act together'. That being the case, Pellegrini was right to recall him. My point here is that Joe Hart very clearly lost concentration in games last season and started to make silly mistakes - He deserved to be dropped, but Pantilimon didn't.

Whether or not Pellegrini was 'influenced' to recall Joe, we may never know - I certainly don't get the impression that he's a 'tough' manager... at the end of the day, he'll do what he's told by his bosses. That's why I believe Willy Caballero is going to be our number one keeper at some point (probably quite early on) next season. He's obviously Pellegrini's choice, backed up by Bergeristan etc.

We'll see...

You really didn't need to waffle on as the only point I was making is that you're talking bollox when you suggest that Pellegrini would be influenced on whether to pick Hart or not based on media outcry.

Pellegrini will do what he's told by his bosses / sponsors. Just like Woy with rughead in the World Cup. The media has more power than you realise - City don't want bad press.

And you know this because.....

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I said 'one' of the main reasons. The media outcry didn't do any good for City, Pellegrini, or Costel Pantilimon. There was an inevitability about Joe Hart's early return - Costel hadn't made many errors in the games he played (certainly not as many as Joe had up to being dropped), but you always knew he was soon going to be back on the bench after the English press threw their toys out of the pram.

I fully expect that Joe improved in training and probably 'got his act together'. That being the case, Pellegrini was right to recall him. My point here is that Joe Hart very clearly lost concentration in games last season and started to make silly mistakes - He deserved to be dropped, but Pantilimon didn't.

Whether or not Pellegrini was 'influenced' to recall Joe, we may never know - I certainly don't get the impression that he's a 'tough' manager... at the end of the day, he'll do what he's told by his bosses. That's why I believe Willy Caballero is going to be our number one keeper at some point (probably quite early on) next season. He's obviously Pellegrini's choice, backed up by Bergeristan etc.

We'll see...

You really didn't need to waffle on as the only point I was making is that you're talking bollox when you suggest that Pellegrini would be influenced on whether to pick Hart or not based on media outcry.

Pellegrini will do what he's told by his bosses / sponsors. Just like Woy with rughead in the World Cup. The media has more power than you realise - City don't want bad press.

This if I was pissed, coked and rocked off my fuckin head.

 

[BlueTG]

I said 'one' of the main reasons. The media outcry didn't do any good for City, Pellegrini, or Costel Pantilimon. There was an inevitability about Joe Hart's early return - Costel hadn't made many errors in the games he played (certainly not as many as Joe had up to being dropped), but you always knew he was soon going to be back on the bench after the English press threw their toys out of the pram.

I fully expect that Joe improved in training and probably 'got his act together'. That being the case, Pellegrini was right to recall him. My point here is that Joe Hart very clearly lost concentration in games last season and started to make silly mistakes - He deserved to be dropped, but Pantilimon didn't.

Whether or not Pellegrini was 'influenced' to recall Joe, we may never know - I certainly don't get the impression that he's a 'tough' manager... at the end of the day, he'll do what he's told by his bosses. That's why I believe Willy Caballero is going to be our number one keeper at some point (probably quite early on) next season. He's obviously Pellegrini's choice, backed up by Bergeristan etc.

We'll see...

You really didn't need to waffle on as the only point I was making is that you're talking bollox when you suggest that Pellegrini would be influenced on whether to pick Hart or not based on media outcry.

Pellegrini will do what he's told by his bosses / sponsors. Just like Woy with rughead in the World Cup. The media has more power than you realise - City don't want bad press.

I seem to remember the media swinging the other way with Hart and slating him at every mistake/chance, and then shit stirring that he will be leaving as he's on the bench. I do not remember them willing him to be back in the City team.

And for your point about Pellegrini possibly being pressured to put Hart back in the side, how come he wasn't pressured to drop Demichelis when he was being slagged by all outlets (including our own supporters) through his shit patch? Purely a speculative point you are using to back up your opinion. And Pantmilimon deserved to be re-dropped. Some of the goals he conceded would have Hart's head rolling on here. Sunderland at an angle he should have covered, his poor performance vs Arsenal and his poor keeping in our FA cup matches spring to mind instantly.




I'm concerned that we are spending money on a 32 year old goalkeeper (yes I know they can go on to play for many more years but they can also hit their peak and decline rapidly, who knows) to pressure Hart and possibly force him out of the team. I'm worried that it bares some similarity to the Given situation. I'd feel more comfortable if we had invested in a potential emerging talent, so if he did dislodge Hart then we would be looking (hopefully) at keeping and developing a young keeper again through many, many years.

 

[Ray78]

At times we do get too attached to players at times and we defend them to the hilt even when it is obvious the player isn't performing to what is expected.

 

[RandomJ]

You really didn't need to waffle on as the only point I was making is that you're talking bollox when you suggest that Pellegrini would be influenced on whether to pick Hart or not based on media outcry.

Pellegrini will do what he's told by his bosses / sponsors. Just like Woy with rughead in the World Cup. The media has more power than you realise - City don't want bad press.

I seem to remember the media swinging the other way with Hart and slating him at every mistake/chance, and then shit stirring that he will be leaving as he's on the bench. I do not remember them willing him to be back in the City team.

And for your point about Pellegrini possibly being pressured to put Hart back in the side, how come he wasn't pressured to drop Demichelis when he was being slagged by all outlets (including our own supporters) through his shit patch? Purely a speculative point you are using to back up your opinion. And Pantmilimon deserved to be re-dropped. Some of the goals he conceded would have Hart's head rolling on here. Sunderland at an angle he should have covered, his poor performance vs Arsenal and his poor keeping in our FA cup matches spring to mind instantly.




I'm concerned that we are spending money on a 32 year old goalkeeper (yes I know they can go on to play for many more years but they can also hit their peak and decline rapidly, who knows) to pressure Hart and possibly force him out of the team. I'm worried that it bares some similarity to the Given situation. I'd feel more comfortable if we had invested in a potential emerging talent, so if he did dislodge Hart then we would be looking (hopefully) at keeping and developing a young keeper again through many, many years.

Exactly this move just makes no sense. The guy is 32 years old, probably has 2-3 more years max at the top level and if it's true this forces Hart - a very good 27 year old keeper out of the club then we will be right back at square fucking one again forced to pay out of the arse for a keeper of equal ability in a few years. This is just Pellegrini playing favourites. The smart move would be to get a very promising young keeper who would eventually push to dislodge Hart and we would then get 10 years out of them if they do manage to take his place. Personally from what I've seen of Willy he is no better than Hart so if he does take the number 1 shirt it won't be through merit it will be cos he is chummy with the manager.

 

[Davidgoldensilva]

Pellegrini will do what he's told by his bosses / sponsors. Just like Woy with rughead in the World Cup. The media has more power than you realise - City don't want bad press.

I seem to remember the media swinging the other way with Hart and slating him at every mistake/chance, and then shit stirring that he will be leaving as he's on the bench. I do not remember them willing him to be back in the City team.

And for your point about Pellegrini possibly being pressured to put Hart back in the side, how come he wasn't pressured to drop Demichelis when he was being slagged by all outlets (including our own supporters) through his shit patch? Purely a speculative point you are using to back up your opinion. And Pantmilimon deserved to be re-dropped. Some of the goals he conceded would have Hart's head rolling on here. Sunderland at an angle he should have covered, his poor performance vs Arsenal and his poor keeping in our FA cup matches spring to mind instantly.




I'm concerned that we are spending money on a 32 year old goalkeeper (yes I know they can go on to play for many more years but they can also hit their peak and decline rapidly, who knows) to pressure Hart and possibly force him out of the team. I'm worried that it bares some similarity to the Given situation. I'd feel more comfortable if we had invested in a potential emerging talent, so if he did dislodge Hart then we would be looking (hopefully) at keeping and developing a young keeper again through many, many years.

Exactly this move just makes no sense. The guy is 32 years old, probably has 2-3 more years max at the top level and if it's true this forces Hart - a very good 27 year old keeper out of the club then we will be right back at square fucking one again forced to pay out of the arse for a keeper of equal ability in a few years. This is just Pellegrini playing favourites. The smart move would be to get a very promising young keeper who would eventually push to dislodge Hart and we would then get 10 years out of them if they do manage to take his place. Personally from what I've seen of Willy he is no better than Hart so if he does take the number 1 shirt it won't be through merit it will be cos he is chummy with the manager.

I feel that pellegrini does play favorites, but if you prove to him that you are a good player he will eventually pick you. Caballero is a very good keeper that definitely is on harts level, and he MIGHT be more consistent. Despite this, there was a time in 2012-2013 where everyone said hart was definitely better than cech, and some people called him the best keeper in the world. Then, he hit a huge loss in form, but he still has that shown potential. The way I see it, either we get a really good back up that will be pivotal to our success for the next 2-3 years, possibly becoming our starting keeper untill hart calms down like last year or (my ideal situation) pushing hart back to being the TRUE England number one, not only referring to the England national team, but out of everyone currently living in England. That or he forces harts development out the window and when hart leaves the big willy drops form and we can't find a good keeper. It's surely going to be the first result, as I doubt pellegrini won't look forward beyond 3 years, and hart will definitely work harder to prove his credentials. It might be like what pantillmon last year but better and much safer