Joe Hart (continued)

[ChicagoBlue]

Wow, some strange chatter on this thread!

Hart will start the year as Number 1 and it is his shirt to lose. That said, if he goes on walkabout, like he did against Chelsea (2-1 loss) and Italy (Jagielka saved his arse), again, he will find himself sitting in the soft seats!

Willy is being brought in as much to TEACH Hart as to challenge him. Pellegrini knows what he is getting and the maturity of the INTERNATIONAL CALIBER PLAYER he has already worked with. Pants was a distant second to Hart, which is not a good situation to be in when you are challenging for the top honors on 4 fronts every year. Willy will get playing time and I would expect them to share the pre-season duties.

Hart will soon know what he is up,against and it will either make him or break him...his choice. From there, the manager makes his decisions. As he showed with MDM, he knows what he is getting and it will not be bad.

As has been stated ad nauseum....two top players for EVERY position. Now, we have the GK position covered and it CANNOT be considered a weak spot.

 

[Sir Joe Aguero]

Wow, some strange chatter on this thread!

Hart will start the year as Number 1 and it is his shirt to lose. That said, if he goes on walkabout, like he did against Chelsea (2-1 loss) and Italy (Jagielka saved his arse), again, he will find himself sitting in the soft seats!

Willy is being brought in as much to TEACH Hart as to challenge him. Pellegrini knows what he is getting and the maturity of the INTERNATIONAL CALIBER PLAYER he has already worked with. Pants was a distant second to Hart, which is not a good situation to be in when you are challenging for the top honors on 4 fronts every year. Willy will get playing time and I would expect them to share the pre-season duties.

Hart will soon know what he is up,against and it will either make him or break him...his choice. From there, the manager makes his decisions. As he showed with MDM, he knows what he is getting and it will not be bad.

As has been stated ad nauseum....two top players for EVERY position. Now, we have the GK position covered and it CANNOT be considered a weak spot.

How good is Caballero?

 

[Whitefield Blue]

Wow, some strange chatter on this thread!

Hart will start the year as Number 1 and it is his shirt to lose. That said, if he goes on walkabout, like he did against Chelsea (2-1 loss) and Italy (Jagielka saved his arse), again, he will find himself sitting in the soft seats!

Willy is being brought in as much to TEACH Hart as to challenge him. Pellegrini knows what he is getting and the maturity of the INTERNATIONAL CALIBER PLAYER he has already worked with. Pants was a distant second to Hart, which is not a good situation to be in when you are challenging for the top honors on 4 fronts every year. Willy will get playing time and I would expect them to share the pre-season duties.

Hart will soon know what he is up,against and it will either make him or break him...his choice. From there, the manager makes his decisions. As he showed with MDM, he knows what he is getting and it will not be bad.

As has been stated ad nauseum....two top players for EVERY position. Now, we have the GK position covered and it CANNOT be considered a weak spot.

How good is Caballero?

I think you can rest assured that 99-100% of people telling you how good he is have never seen him play.

I always find it laughable the excitement concerning new players, when quite clearly most people saying that the player is 'world class' have seen Malaga between 0 and 1 time. At best.

To summarise, like virtually everyone here....I've never seen the guy and haven't got a flaming clue how good he is.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Wow, some strange chatter on this thread!

Hart will start the year as Number 1 and it is his shirt to lose. That said, if he goes on walkabout, like he did against Chelsea (2-1 loss) and Italy (Jagielka saved his arse), again, he will find himself sitting in the soft seats!

Willy is being brought in as much to TEACH Hart as to challenge him. Pellegrini knows what he is getting and the maturity of the INTERNATIONAL CALIBER PLAYER he has already worked with. Pants was a distant second to Hart, which is not a good situation to be in when you are challenging for the top honors on 4 fronts every year. Willy will get playing time and I would expect them to share the pre-season duties.

Hart will soon know what he is up,against and it will either make him or break him...his choice. From there, the manager makes his decisions. As he showed with MDM, he knows what he is getting and it will not be bad.

As has been stated ad nauseum....two top players for EVERY position. Now, we have the GK position covered and it CANNOT be considered a weak spot.

How good is Caballero?

I think you can rest assured that 99-100% of people telling you how good he is have never seen him play.

I always find it laughable the excitement concerning new players, when quite clearly most people saying that the player is 'world class' have seen Malaga between 0 and 1 time. At best.

To summarise, like virtually everyone here....I've never seen the guy and haven't got a flaming clue how good he is.

I have not see Willy play. However, he was voted the best keeper in the Spanish league a couple of years ago, thus indicating that Willy is a top class keeper.

There will be competition for our number 1 spot ( like Joe now faces from Ben Foster to be England keeper) and hopefully Hart will rise to the occasion and have his best season for us.

 

[sir baconface]

I have no problem if Caballero starts most games.
Dont think he is worse than Hart.

Certainly lot closer to Pellegrini and the trust/confidence between manager and goalkeeper is really important. Especially important.

Not saying Hart's days are numbered tho I dont think Pelle would shed many tears if he had to let go Sinclair, Rodwell, Milner, Hart, Barry, Richards, Lescott in one summer. Hart and Milner will stay now, but for how long thats a mystery. Not that long would be my feeling...

Yeah and then we'd have a 17 man squad challenging for 4 trophies

This. We need some decent English/home grown players whether some people like it or not.

 

[Lavinda Past]

How good is Caballero?

I think you can rest assured that 99-100% of people telling you how good he is have never seen him play.

I always find it laughable the excitement concerning new players, when quite clearly most people saying that the player is 'world class' have seen Malaga between 0 and 1 time. At best.

To summarise, like virtually everyone here....I've never seen the guy and haven't got a flaming clue how good he is.

I have not see Willy play. However, he was voted the best keeper in the Spanish league a couple of years ago, thus indicating that Willy is a top class keeper.

There will be competition for our number 1 spot ( like Joe now faces from Ben Foster to be England keeper) and hopefully Hart will rise to the occasion and have his best season for us.

This is pretty much where I come from on this. Joe needs to get back to his form of 2011/12. He's since had two seasons without improvement, and 2013/14 included probably the worst spell of his career to date. I can't see how anyone would think he's anywhere near as good as he was in 2011/12.

For the good of the club, I genuinely hope that he does improve, but my gut feeling is that he's going to do a Nicky Weaver. If he doesn't improve significantly over the first part of 2014/15, I think the club will cash in on him in January and buy a cheaper (British) goalkeeper as number 2 to Willy.

As I've said; nobody would spend 6 million or so on a goalkeeper to keep the bench warm - particularly at a time when transfer spending is limited and under very close scrutiny. I think Joe's card has been well and truly marked by the club. The challenge is there for him to face up to.

Let's wait and see...

 

[BillyShears]

This is pretty much where I come from on this. Joe needs to get back to his form of 2011/12. He's since had two seasons without improvement, and 2013/14 included probably the worst spell of his career to date. I can't see how anyone would think he's anywhere near as good as he was in 2011/12.

For the good of the club, I genuinely hope that he does improve, but my gut feeling is that he's going to do a Nicky Weaver. If he doesn't improve significantly over the first part of 2014/15, I think the club will cash in on him in January and buy a cheaper (British) goalkeeper as number 2 to Willy.

As I've said; nobody would spend 6 million or so on a goalkeeper to keep the bench warm - particularly at a time when transfer spending is limited and under very close scrutiny. I think Joe's card has been well and truly marked by the club. The challenge is there for him to face up to.

Let's wait and see...

You seem to have quite the axe to grind with Hart judging by your posting history when it comes to him.

Personally I wasn't convinced we'd bring someone like Willy in, but now that we have I can see it as only a good thing. Whether it's because Joe needs better competition than Pants or simply because we needed a better back up keeper than Pants only time will tell.

Joe will start the season as Number 1, and certainly has it in him to perform to such a high level that the new guy doesn't get a look in.

I also think it would be a monumental fuck up for Txiki and Pellegrini to go down the route of unsettling Hart. As it stands we already don't have enough of an English presence in our first team squad. The pair of them need to ensure that whatever the reasoning behind bringing another keeper in, it doesn't have an adverse effect on Joe.

 

[eversince 76]

Hart being without serious competition over the last 3 or 4 years, at City and at England, has not improved him as a goalkeeper. He needs serious competition, as every athlete needs to. Goalkeepers love the competition. Pants, either by his character or that Mancini/Pellegrini simply thought he was not good enough, wasn't gonna give it to him despite doing great during Harts' spell on the benches last year.

Goalkeepers and their coaches are normally a very close unit within a squad and it's managementteam. I expect that to be the same again, with each goalkeeper having specialties that will make the others better. That is what I expect this transfer will do to not only Hart, but Caballero as well. Either way, we as a club, profit. England will profit if Hart improves.

I don't take it Caballero is Pellegrini's man and therefore 1st choice. Way too easy. People thought that about Demichelis as well, with the player proving he was the right choice no matter the manager. Zabaleta is another and perfect exemple of an athlete improving himself and going with the competition for the RB-spot and rising level of play in the team. He didn't need a manager for that, it's simply his character of working his butt of and being a professional.
As it is now, it's Caballero to try and take the no. 1 spot away from Hart, not the other way round or because Pellegrini is more fond of Caballero. Anyone who thinks this degrades Pellegrini as a manager big time. I expect Pellegrini to keep everyone happy and challenging, no matter who they are and where they come from. That's one of his specialities. Pellegrini won over every single player in the squad, not because he chooses his favourites, but the ones who would get in the results and make everyone at the club happy chappies.

Finally for the homegrown number of players, we need to let that one over to the managementteam and it's directors. I'm sure they will know how to handle that one. And if they fail, we can moan. But we simply do not know the full details of the plans to try and cope with this cap.

 

[BlueTG]

How good is Caballero?

I think you can rest assured that 99-100% of people telling you how good he is have never seen him play.

I always find it laughable the excitement concerning new players, when quite clearly most people saying that the player is 'world class' have seen Malaga between 0 and 1 time. At best.

To summarise, like virtually everyone here....I've never seen the guy and haven't got a flaming clue how good he is.

I have not see Willy play. However, he was voted the best keeper in the Spanish league a couple of years ago, thus indicating that Willy is a top class keeper.

There will be competition for our number 1 spot ( like Joe now faces from Ben Foster to be England keeper) and hopefully Hart will rise to the occasion and have his best season for us.

Pleeeeease do not chat bollocks. Nigel Martyn, Brad Freidel, David James and Shay Given have all been in the team of the year for the Premier League - and they were very good, solid goalkeepers - not top class. An represent opinion on the inclusion of a player in the team of the year, can be made by someone who has watched the subject player over the course of the season, to form some decent insight, rather than making an assumption that he's top class because he was included one year.

Also, a couple of years ago.. is that not the same stick you beat Hart with because he was voted as the best goalkeeper two years ago, and not now. Have some consistency at least in your criticisms.

 

[Wio Gumflapdinand]

If Harts gash then I've no problem sticking Willy in