Joe Hart (continued)

[baildon blue]

I agree with Lavinda about Joe Hart .

No way do we have the same keeper we had in 2012 .

Mancini was right to look at other keepers .

Manuel done the right thing bringing Willy to City .

Lets hope Joe decides to become the keeper we had in 2012 again .

Going by his World Cup performance I fear he won`t .

 

[RandomJ]

He's not as good as many people seem to think. He's not as good as he seems to think.

He's one of the top 10 goalkeepers in the world. So he's good enough, that's all that matters.

Maybe he needs competition. What he doesn't need is idiots on an internet forum casting aspersions upon his character whilst knowing absolutely fuck all about him beyond having gotten his autograph or sat at a table with him for 20 minutes at some supporters do.

Your history of posting snide and unnecessary criticism of Joe is second only to your posting of snide unnecessary comments about Pellegrini. In both instances it's not difficult to guess what the reason is.

Get back in your pram - Who died and made you the font of all knowledge?

You don't know me and you never will - If you want to troll my posts, good luck to you. I have my opinions, you have yours. Personally, I think you're an average know-nowt with tinted glasses, just like most football supporters. I suspect that I may know a bit more than you about the subjects in question, but we'll never know.

Joe Hart has not progressed since 2011/12 - that is a generally accepted fact. An increasing number of fans think (like me) that he's gone backwards. Roberto Mancini had his doubts about Hart and I suspect Manuel Pellegrini is of much the same opinion.

For the record - I believe that there are better keepers than Joe Hart (we've just signed one) and there are better managers than Manuel Pellegrini. That's not to say I don't like either of them, or that I don't want either to succeed - I'm more than happy with what they've done for City. I just think that we could do better in both departments... They'll do for the short term.

Well this doesn't really back that up does it? He played more games and Joe has a better defence in front of him so you can ignore the number of saves stats and in every other department Joe has him beat. In fact from those stats it shows you we have just signed Shay Given reincarnated. Great shot stopper but glued to his line and in the premier league with more crosses and taller stronger players we are going to concede a lot of goals at corners with him in net.

 

[Len Rum]

I agree with Lavinda about Joe Hart .

No way do we have the same keeper we had in 2012 .

Mancini was right to look at other keepers .

Manuel done the right thing bringing Willy to City .

Lets hope Joe decides to become the keeper we had in 2012 again .

Going by his World Cup performance I fear he won`t .

Not Joe's greatest fan but on his return after being dropped last season I felt he performed well and had a great game against Everton which effectively won us the title. However he didn't have the best of World Cups, so for me the jury's still out.
The signing of Caballero will test him and hopefully the competition will enable him to raise his game.

 

[razman]

i think all city fans will definitely like that Joe is pushed to his best because of this signing!

I have been his fan...and happy how he came back after being dropped

 

[paulchapo]

It is hard to pinpoint just exactly any specific reason but i have to agree Joe seems to have stood still slightly,stalled if you want.He went backwards and was dropped,came back but stayed at a similar level before his form dipped.Although still young for a keeper at 27 he is no fresh kid anymore.

Two areas which he can't seem to improve on is getting beaten by low shots,especially from distance and his distribution.His decision making is awry at times as well,he can get caught in no man's land and rushes about in a bit of a panic.

These weaknesses have been evident for some time now so you think he would be working hard to eradicate them but they are still happening.He isn't a bad keeper,in fact he is a good one,but if we are aspiring to be the best team in the world we need a keeper with an aura,who's very appearance between the sticks dispirits the opposition before we even kick off.

 

[LoveCity]

Well this doesn't really back that up does it? He played more games and Joe has a better defence in front of him so you can ignore the number of saves stats and in every other department Joe has him beat. In fact from those stats it shows you we have just signed Shay Given reincarnated. Great shot stopper but glued to his line and in the premier league with more crosses and taller stronger players we are going to concede a lot of goals at corners with him in net.

Sigh. That's an awfully presumptuous conclusion to come to based on one graphic.

Willy made a more catches than Hart last season (Hart 68/2.19 per game vs. Willy 107/2.82 per game) and had a 100% claim success last year vs. Joe Hart's 90%. It's just that in Spain teams play it across the ground or through the middle more than hoof it from the wings into the box so obviously he is going to take less crosses. There are no Allardyces and Moyes' in Spain.

I wish people would watch these players before making judgments. Spanish football is on Sky every week so watch it rather than coming to conclusions based on a few stats.

Caballero = top class goalkeeper and people who actually watch him pretty much all agree. Nominated on a 3-man shortlist with Valdes and Courtois for best keeper in Spain last December.

 

[Len Rum]

He's one of the top 10 goalkeepers in the world. So he's good enough, that's all that matters.

Maybe he needs competition. What he doesn't need is idiots on an internet forum casting aspersions upon his character whilst knowing absolutely fuck all about him beyond having gotten his autograph or sat at a table with him for 20 minutes at some supporters do.

Your history of posting snide and unnecessary criticism of Joe is second only to your posting of snide unnecessary comments about Pellegrini. In both instances it's not difficult to guess what the reason is.

Get back in your pram - Who died and made you the font of all knowledge?

You don't know me and you never will - If you want to troll my posts, good luck to you. I have my opinions, you have yours. Personally, I think you're an average know-nowt with tinted glasses, just like most football supporters. I suspect that I may know a bit more than you about the subjects in question, but we'll never know.

Joe Hart has not progressed since 2011/12 - that is a generally accepted fact. An increasing number of fans think (like me) that he's gone backwards. Roberto Mancini had his doubts about Hart and I suspect Manuel Pellegrini is of much the same opinion.

For the record - I believe that there are better keepers than Joe Hart (we've just signed one) and there are better managers than Manuel Pellegrini. That's not to say I don't like either of them, or that I don't want either to succeed - I'm more than happy with what they've done for City. I just think that we could do better in both departments... They'll do for the short term.

Well this doesn't really back that up does it? He played more games and Joe has a better defence in front of him so you can ignore the number of saves stats and in every other department Joe has him beat. In fact from those stats it shows you we have just signed Shay Given reincarnated. Great shot stopper but glued to his line and in the premier league with more crosses and taller stronger players we are going to concede a lot of goals at corners with him in net.

From my observations of Joe's goalkeeping the crosses he claims are mainly simple ones. Anything more difficult he punches or occasionally misses.
Your comparison with Given is worrying. Like Given Willy is not the tallest of goalies by modern day standards (6ft 1), so if he is a 'line goalkeeper' he could struggle with crosses.

 

[Ray78]

He's one of the top 10 goalkeepers in the world. So he's good enough, that's all that matters.

Maybe he needs competition. What he doesn't need is idiots on an internet forum casting aspersions upon his character whilst knowing absolutely fuck all about him beyond having gotten his autograph or sat at a table with him for 20 minutes at some supporters do.

Your history of posting snide and unnecessary criticism of Joe is second only to your posting of snide unnecessary comments about Pellegrini. In both instances it's not difficult to guess what the reason is.

Get back in your pram - Who died and made you the font of all knowledge?

You don't know me and you never will - If you want to troll my posts, good luck to you. I have my opinions, you have yours. Personally, I think you're an average know-nowt with tinted glasses, just like most football supporters. I suspect that I may know a bit more than you about the subjects in question, but we'll never know.

Joe Hart has not progressed since 2011/12 - that is a generally accepted fact. An increasing number of fans think (like me) that he's gone backwards. Roberto Mancini had his doubts about Hart and I suspect Manuel Pellegrini is of much the same opinion.

For the record - I believe that there are better keepers than Joe Hart (we've just signed one) and there are better managers than Manuel Pellegrini. That's not to say I don't like either of them, or that I don't want either to succeed - I'm more than happy with what they've done for City. I just think that we could do better in both departments... They'll do for the short term.

Well this doesn't really back that up does it? He played more games and Joe has a better defence in front of him so you can ignore the number of saves stats and in every other department Joe has him beat. In fact from those stats it shows you we have just signed Shay Given reincarnated. Great shot stopper but glued to his line and in the premier league with more crosses and taller stronger players we are going to concede a lot of goals at corners with him in net.

Neville Southall wasn't the tallest of keepers. Same with Iker Casillias, Peter Shilton, Gordon Banks, Victor Valdes and Dino Zoff. And there are plenty of keepers who are taller but are completely shit at catching crosses, And if you are that concerned about conceding from corners then it is also the defenders responsibility as well. What it boils down to is Hart isn't as good as people are making him out to be.

 

[sh249]

I have not see Willy play. However, he was voted the best keeper in the Spanish league a couple of years ago, thus indicating that Willy is a top class keeper.

There will be competition for our number 1 spot ( like Joe now faces from Ben Foster to be England keeper) and hopefully Hart will rise to the occasion and have his best season for us.

Pleeeeease do not chat bollocks. Nigel Martyn, Brad Freidel, David James and Shay Given have all been in the team of the year for the Premier League - and they were very good, solid goalkeepers - not top class. An represent opinion on the inclusion of a player in the team of the year, can be made by someone who has watched the subject player over the course of the season, to form some decent insight, rather than making an assumption that he's top class because he was included one year.

Also, a couple of years ago.. is that not the same stick you beat Hart with because he was voted as the best goalkeeper two years ago, and not now. Have some consistency at least in your criticisms.

The keepers you have listed were very good in their peak years so I'm missing the point you are trying to make. Joe was outstanding two or three years ago.

I give Joe ent of credit when he is good including starting chants of England's number one at some aways e.g. Palace. When he has a run of poor form for us and records one of the worst performances in World Cup history for an English keeper (not a save and dropped) I tell the truth on here. That does not stop me encouraging Joe at every game.

This has just jumped out at me - which game do you mean?

 

[BillyShears]

Get back in your pram - Who died and made you the font of all knowledge?

You don't know me and you never will - If you want to troll my posts, good luck to you. I have my opinions, you have yours. Personally, I think you're an average know-nowt with tinted glasses, just like most football supporters. I suspect that I may know a bit more than you about the subjects in question, but we'll never know.

I see I hit a rather raw nerve there. I didn't need to troll your posts as you suggested. A simple search, which took somewhere in the region of 30 seconds told me everything I needed to know. Your opinion changed over a staggeringly short period of time from this:

What other keeper in the league would you swap him for?

.........*tumbleweed*

We're lucky to have him. Show me a keeper who does not make mistakes.

^^^ This^^^100%

To this:

Joe Hart - Billy big bollocks flapping about like a tart... Again

Time for a change.

That in and of itself is quite an about face. From we're lucky to have him in December to billy big bollocks, flapping like a tart, time for a change etc some six months later.

Joe Hart has not progressed since 2011/12 - that is a generally accepted fact. An increasing number of fans think (like me) that he's gone backwards. Roberto Mancini had his doubts about Hart and I suspect Manuel Pellegrini is of much the same opinion.

In 2011/12 he was one of the top 3 goal keepers in the world. It's very difficult at that age, to progress beyond that, when you're a keeper. Consistency comes with age and experience. In keepers terms Joe's still a baby. No he's not as good as Neuer or Cortouis But beyond that his stats and his performances will stand up to most keepers in the world.

For the record - I believe that there are better keepers than Joe Hart (we've just signed one) and there are better managers than Manuel Pellegrini. That's not to say I don't like either of them, or that I don't want either to succeed - I'm more than happy with what they've done for City. I just think that we could do better in both departments... They'll do for the short term.

You say that you like both the manager and our G/K and yet your words consistently have betrayed you since the summer of 2013.

I believe you also said that Joe Hart would't be a City player at the start of the 14/15 season. Looks like he'll start as number 1. Could you do us a favour and predict (again) that the clueless Pellegrini will win fuck all next season. ;)