Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[Phil1]

£30 million plus for a 33 year old keeper? Is that right though?

No - not even close. More like €20m which is 17ish million pound.

 

[OB1]

Reports and Ric said it's about 17 m,seems reasonable

17m for a guy might prove to be the best keeper in the league come May is not unreasonable. He might be our first choice for the next five years. Look at how Buffon has managed to keep going, and he's had a dodgy back for years.

 

[blueinsa]

£30 million plus for a 33 year old keeper? Is that right though?

No its not but we are not paying £30M are we?

Reports claiming more like £17M.

 

[Fat Chance]

Thought the 17m included the add-ons and the un added price was 13 and a bit mill

 

[kaz7]

Thought the 17m included the add-ons and the un added price was 13 and a bit mill

Claudio Bravo will join Manchester City for an initial £13.9m (€16m) with an additional £3.5m (€4m) in add-ons. [Marca]
Barcelona sources admit the amount paid by City won't be 'spectacular', but appropriate for a 33-year-old. [Mundo Deportivo]

 

[MeatHunterrr]

Thought the 17m included the add-ons and the un added price was 13 and a bit mill

yup, marca reported £14m + £3m in add ons

 

[blueparrot]

Clue: it won't be Joe who stays.

There is no way this is about football because, if it was, he'd have been given a season. Keeper was not a position that gave us a problem.

I'm even beginning to think this decision was actually made a while ago but we were waiting for Pep to arrive and basically give the club a smokescreen to carry it through.

Keeper wasn't a problem position, and before the weekend I'd have said he would be given time. But after Saturday I realise the keepers kicking, speed of thought and choice of pass is the foundation of the whole team. While other positions can learn the philosophy they have to do it on a strong foundation from somebody who already instinctively understands it.
So there are good footballing reasons for bringing in a goalkeeper that is experienced playing this way. Tolmie says it's football reasons only, Zin, I think, seems to think there's other reasons I don't know. I don't think we can assume it's non football just because he isn't getting a season to see how it goes.
If it is just football reasons, Joe has a big decision to make, if he believes he can do what's required he could stay learn and compete with a 34 year old Bravo. Or he can move on and be a first choice somewhere else.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Brilliant. I definitely get why you think so highly of him then! Like I say I was too young to appreciate just how good he was when he was at City. Sounds like you had some great Maine Road memories! One of mine was down at Platt Lane in the days where it was access all areas... Paul Lake and Tony Coton were both coming back from serious injuries and were doing some light passing exercises. One of them hit a stray pass in to the groundsmans shed, I went and got the ball back for them so they started including me in their kick about. Absolute gents. Like everyone else I was gutted when Cotton signed for United the next year!

Ha, that access of yesteryear is long gone,no doubt...

Obviously there was money around in the 90s but these guys were original stock, from a pre premiership era, all down to earth blokes, however, it could never last and it didn't... I'd say TC and Curley were my favs, both always taking time out with me to be mischievous, normally at that twat Lishas (excuse the spelling) expense.

Curles son posts on here...

 

[trotsky]

I thought I'd read that Hart was likely to start tonight so not sure if that holds true? I'd agree with it otherwise.

No, the rumour that Pep told Joe "See you next Tuesday" had nothing to do with starting line-up ;-)

 

[Phil1]

Ha, that access of yesteryear is long gone,no doubt...

Obviously there was money around in the 90s but these guys were original stock, from a pre premiership era, all down to earth blokes, however, it could never last and it didn't... I'd say TC and Curley were my favs, both always taking time out with me to be mischievous, normally at that twat Lishas (excuse the spelling) expense.

Curles son posts on here...

TC was my hero as a budding goalkeeper myself. Was gutted when he left. He did give me a pair of his sondico gloves though which made a teenage boy very happy.
Curle was awesome - met him in a bar in Tenerife a couple of years ago and spent 20 minutes pestering him pissed up telling him how much a hero he was - he took it in good grace and accepted the beer offered :-)

 

[Silva2021]

The fee is fine considering the pool of keepers we have to choose from is small, at least as good as Hart in everything but far better distribution.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I'm loving the lies about Hart not being able to pass. He can. He regularly wins cross bar challenge competitions that the players do amongst themselves, he takes a mean penalty, can back heel any dropped object (typically a coffee cup) into a nearby container (typically a bin), he can do endless freestyle football actions (keepy ups for those of my age) and even a Rabona of two.

He's been back from the Euros for 3 weeks and is being asked to play in a style he has never played before at City or for England. Willy has been back for 6 weeks and that is the main reason that he got the nod on Saturday.

Let's also note that for the last 3 years he's been told to hump it up the pitch as our legacy defence can't pass it's way out of a paper bag - they were bought to defend. Even with newer additions Mangala and Otamendi it's like watching clones of Corporal Jones panicking when they get pressed.

If Pep want's him out it's because he doesn't like his character or he thinks he is disruptive. Anyway we shall soon find out.

 

[Phil1]

I'm loving the lies about Hart not being able to pass. He can. He regularly wins cross bar challenge competitions that the players do amongst themselves, he takes a mean penalty, can back heel any dropped object (typically a coffee cup) into a nearby container (typically a bin), he can do endless freestyle football actions (keepy ups for those of my age) and even a Rabona of two.

He's been back from the Euros for 3 weeks and is being asked to play in games as he has never played before at City or for England. Willy has been back for 6 weeks and that is the main reason that he got the nod on Saturday. Let's also note that for the last 3 years he's been told to hump it up the pitch as our legacy defence can't pass it's way out of a paper bag - they were bought to defend. Even with newer additions Mangala and Otamendi it's like watching clones of Corporal Jones panicking when they get pressed.

If Pep want's him out it's because he doesn't like his character or he thinks he is disruptive. Anyway we shall soon find out.

Crossbar challenges and back heels into coffee cups? Well there you go, that's that settled..
The point is it doesn't translate into the pitch. You seem to struggle with that as it's been pointed out several times.
I'm not sure if you're serious with that post but judging from se of your others I fear you are.

 

[Marvin]

Clue: it won't be Joe who stays.

There is no way this is about football because, if it was, he'd have been given a season. Keeper was not a position that gave us a problem.

I'm even beginning to think this decision was actually made a while ago but we were waiting for Pep to arrive and basically give the club a smokescreen to carry it through.

The footballing reasons don't sound too credible to me as from what I have seen his abilities on the ball as a keeper are better than most even if the stats show that he boots it long continually. The fact that he boots it long, doesn't mean he can't play the short game.

If there is a non-footballing reason, I don't want to know. What is gained by damaging the player / club? Nothing, Guardiola can do as he likes with regards to player selection / transfers.

 

[Blue Llama]

The characteristics Pep is looking for all rely on speed of thought. Unfortunately Joe is a ditherer and that's not good when the opposition know it.

 

[Marvin]

I'm loving the lies about Hart not being able to pass. He can. He regularly wins cross bar challenge competitions that the players do amongst themselves, he takes a mean penalty, can back heel any dropped object (typically a coffee cup) into a nearby container (typically a bin), he can do endless freestyle football actions (keepy ups for those of my age) and even a Rabona of two.

He's been back from the Euros for 3 weeks and is being asked to play in a style he has never played before at City or for England. Willy has been back for 6 weeks and that is the main reason that he got the nod on Saturday. Let's also note that for the last 3 years he's been told to hump it up the pitch as our legacy defence can't pass it's way out of a paper bag - they were bought to defend. Even with newer additions Mangala and Otamendi it's like watching clones of Corporal Jones panicking when they get pressed.

If Pep want's him out it's because he doesn't like his character or he thinks he is disruptive. Anyway we shall soon find out.

That's my impression too. I've seen him in warm ups and he's technically far better than the other keepers. The only keeper that ever rivalled him footballing wise was Schmeichel and at the time Schmeichel really struggled on crosses and high balls into the box.

 

[Phil1]

That's my impression too. I've seen him in warm ups and he's technically far better than the other keepers. The only keeper that ever rivalled him footballing wise was Schmeichel and at the time Schmeichel really struggled on crosses and high balls into the box.

Mental.

 

[razman]

Marca claiming that Sevilla have a strong interest in hart . They know he would like to stay in England but hope champions league would be a plus point which Everton can't offer .

I posted earlier this would a good move for hart. He is a very good keeper regardless of what some people on this board say. Good experience for if it works out and refreshing to see an English player going abroad

 

[Marvin]

The characteristics Pep is looking for all rely on speed of thought. Unfortunately Joe is a ditherer and that's not good when the opposition know it.

I think the non-footballing argument is much more persuasive even if it hasn't been spelled out. The footballing argument doesn't make sense because from what I have seen he's really good with the ball. It will remain a mystery. I'm quite happy with Bravo. The main thing is we have a competent keeper, but after watching Joe for years you're bound to have some sympathy. If you don't then there's something wrong with you in my opinion. I know he gets paid a lot and could no doubt go elsewhere but this is his club and there is such a thing as pride.

 

[Metalartin]

Crossbar challenges and back heels into coffee cups? Well there you go, that's that settled..
The point is it doesn't translate into the pitch. You seem to struggle with that as it's been pointed out several times.
I'm not sure if you're serious with that post but judging from se of your others I fear you are.

He does have a point though, reading some of the posts some are under the impression Hart is terrible with the ball at his feet but he's far from it(I've seen him show some surprising skill for a keeper albeit never under pressure bar that penalty) which is a sign he really could adapt his game, being cool under pressure and his distribution is clearly what he needs to work on.